Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

[Badgoushk]

For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

'They resigned not just because of his policies, they would in the most part work with those but because he's impossible, unprofessional and because he uses his minions to intimidate for him. It's his way or the highway.'

But lots of them are reported to want to rejoin the Cabinet and this time work constructively with Corbyn. The Blairites thought that the people loved them and would back them over Corbyn, but they misread the public mood and the members' mood and now lots of them are having to come back, tail between their legs, and ask Corbyn if he will accept them back and they promise that they will let bygones be bygones and not snipe at the most popular Labour leader in history among Labour members.

Should have read..

I would have voted for Jeremy last time - if The Labour Party had let me back in again. After a lifetime (over 30yrs) of membership evidently joining the greens in 2015 was enough to bar me from rejoining.

There was obviously a reason. So you broke the rules in some way.

He is not the most inspiring or dynamic of speakers

You'really not kidding

which actually are a socialist alternative to the Tories, not the Blairite Tory-light.

Ahhh wondered how long before that 'gem' got spouted again

Tens of thousands of people have turned out, willing to stand outside in the rain for meetings led by an elderly, uncharismatic, bearded socialist. ..... I've never seen anything like it.

Millions and millions haven't. Speaking to the converted wins nothing.

It's all echo chambers.

He doesn't like speaking in front of people that don't agree with him.

'He doesn't like speaking in front of people that don't agree with him.'

But he does that in the Cabinet of Blairites every single day.

most popular Labour leader in history among Labour members.

Membership doesn't not equal electorate or constituents funnily enough. Or even anywhere near all the members.

Compromise means both sides. If Corbyn doesn't do things differently expect this to be a yearly event.

MPs did try to work with him if you read the numerous reports from them. He didn't listen or discuss. They agreed one thing then went out and said different. That is when they could actually get to see him.

There has been a democratic vote for shadow cabinet election. Corbyn and Abbot et al are blocking it. I wonder why....

But he does that in the Cabinet of Blairites every single day.

And flounders

PIGLET: exactly. There are too many similar stories of his poor communication with his team, lack of respect for anyone challenging him and him overruling or ignoring his cabinet.

funfunapple, I agree, found those interviews and articles so damning. It is pointless to say get behind him, when there is so much evidence that that is impossible. Lilian Greenwood agreed with him, they had a strong rail policy, and he screwed up months of hard work with incompetence. I can;t get behind a man who says women should ignore abuse anyway,

Yes, if you have recently joined another political party that will probably disbar you . Rule book pretty clear.

I just feel hopeless - his supporters seem happy to talk to each other and say anyone who disagrees is a Blairite, or they wouldn't want to be in the same party as former tory voters anyway. So they seem unlikely to persuade anyone else. People like me, party members but not Corbyn supporters, may cling on to membership but there is no way I could defend a man who has said the things he has and kept the company he has (Paris comment/Hamas/IRA/Iranian TV etc etc). The reports from doorstep knocking in Sheffield said Corbyn came up over and over again. So we lost a seat there, weeks after a mass rally.

They resigned because he would not engage with them he announced policies without talking to them

He can't run a cabinet that is obvious he sits there smugly announcing in an interview that this is who he is and won't change he has to change from being as a rebellious back bencher to the leader of the party of opposition but he won't and sadly has a number of members supporting him blindly

He will never ever be PM so what the fuck is the point of it all

He is not changing politics he is changing the Labour Party from being one that could have won an election and provided an opposition to one that is in absolute chaos

Meanwhile the Tories and now the LibDems are moving forward and gaining more support

'MPs did try to work with him if you read the numerous reports from them'

Who believes their reports? The reason that Corbyn is so popular is because people believe him, they think he is genuine and is not pulling the wool like a Blairite.

'There are too many similar stories of his poor communication with his team'

But hardly anyone believes these stories which is why it looks like Corbyn may even increase his majority despite the tales, stories and tantrums of the Blairites.

He isn't popular. Corbyn is one of the most unpopular opposition leaders in history. Labour party members do not decide the results of a General Election. Everyone gets a vote. There is no point in talking about his popularity among party members when his popularity amongst the actual electorate is so appalling.

Except the people who have come out questioning his competency were not Blairites - mostly people on the left with similar policies but frustrated with his total lack of capability in the business of Parliament.

Do people believe him or have belief he can run the country

Well a few hundred thousand members do and are so blinded by him are naive enough to think he can be PM even many of those don't believe he can be PM but support him anyway

But not the electorate this is the real test failure in local elections and failure in council elections

Not sure who you mean hardly anyone beleives these MP's stories I certainly do why wouldn't I the same issues coming up again and again

DH & I are left of centre floating voters, usually Labour but sometimes LibDem depending on candidate/area split. We are both furious about the Labour in fighting and lack of effective opposition, particularly at a time of such huge challenges (Brexit, dismantling of NHS). We've agreed Labour are not worthy of our consideration & votes. It will be years, possibly never, before I vote Labour again.

Claig. What do you mean people don't believe those stories? I've heard interview after interview from MP's who can't work wit him because he arranged meetings and then doesn't turn up, where he won't even meet, where the MP has worked with him on a project and then he makes an announcement totally different to what has been agreed and worked on. I totally believe it, the stories are all too similar and too detailed for them not to be true.

'There is no point in talking about his popularity among party members when his popularity amongst the actual electorate is so appalling.'

The polls are rigged by the Establishment. They are lying to the people because they are terrified of Corbyn's straight-talking honest politics. The Establishment have spent years promoting the antithesis of "straight-talking honest politics" in Blair etc and now a bunch of oridnary people have defeated the whole lot of them. They even have the gall to set up "Momentum Kids" with colouring books and creches which has got the Establishment media into a frenzy of calling ordinary people Trots because they don't admire the Blairites.

It turns out that Welsh voters (not Labour members) prefer Corbyn to the Establishment Owen Smith, champion of the 172. It is the same all over the country.

' I totally believe it'

The BBC has been putting all these stories and interviews out and some people believe them, but most Labour members don't believe a word of it which is why Corbyn may even increase his majority.

Owen Jones weeps about how Corbyn only granted him one meeting. Most Labour members probably sympathise with Corbyn because one meeting with Owen Smith is probably enough for most people.

And much of it is possible to confirm anyway. The rail launch was the same day as the ridiculous reshuffle kerfuffle. He did go on holiday during the Brexit campaign. Not a question of belief.

Sorry Owen Smith, not Owen Jones.

Owen Jones is alright, but his credibility went down after his wobble over Corbyn and his slight move towards the Blairite wing.

Claig, you might as well say there are fairies at the bottom of the garden. Believe every single poll is rigged if you like, that is entirely up to you (and does that include the Sheffield and other bye-elections - were the ballot boxes rigged too and if so, will they be at the next GE?) but that is not an argument based on reason and will not convince anyone else.

Anything is possible in politics these days & people writing Corbyn off as 'unelectable as PM' are a bit silly.
Politics is changing. People are disillusioned with the centre where the establishment want us - Brexit being a prime example.

The interviews I have heard were not on the BBC and were not part of a poll. They came from a variety of sources including various news papers and also on Ian Dale's LBC show. He's an excellent and intelligent broadcaster and the messages were same time and time again. You simply don't lose the support of over 170 MP's for no reason, it doesn't happen.

'Believe every single poll is rigged if you like'

On the eve of the Brexit vote, the Establishment polls had Cameron and his team 10 points ahead of the people and they were wrong, we beat the lot of them.

In the general election, the polls were wrong and the Tories won a majority.

The polls have been largely discredited and not many people have much faith in them any more apart from the Blairites.

The Establishment and the Blairites know that Corbyn is far more popular than the BBC make out. If Corbyn puts forward a left wing alternative of secured council house tenancy, no TTIP, no fracking, no more wars, scrapping of tuition fees, an end to privatisation of the Health Service, nationaliation of rail and massive housebuilding together with swingeing taxation for Blairites, then the Establishment knows that Corbyn will win the election and that is why they are doing their utmost to stop Corbyn, Momentum and "Momentum Kids".

If all the votes are rigged then surely this one must be too. Shall we get our demands in for a recount?

To be honest, I don't think the Labour Party is capable of vote-rigging. Not because they're above all that but because they're just not capable of organising it.

surferjet You make an interesting point - but I think it's more that people are disenchanted with the Establishment, rather than with the centre ground of political thinking. They may be swayed by a single issue (look at immigration with UKIP), but I think that's a different thing.

Another poll for corbyn supporters to ignore

I think this sums up a lot of the corbyn supporters it reminds me of Sanders supporters, Corbynistas fundamentally fail to understand what people want. Average people are not interested in justice for Palestine or ideological opposition to Tory policy. What they want is a secure job and a community that they feel attached to and can take pride in. Corbyn, by overtly courting the wackiest type of left-wing vote, by indulging the divisive identity politics of his supporters and by his open support for more immigration will always fail when confronted with the Tories.