Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

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For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

Even though McDonnell does look and sound like a nasty piece of work, I might even vte for him because he has said that he wants to bring in PR voting, but unfortunately, as usual, Corby is too timid and weak to back that yet, but maybe Momentum can force Corbyn to change, if they support PR, which I am not sure they do.

the people if you are white Christian americans

the people being not white Christian's Trump is certainly not the best hope

UKIP are done now unless Farage returns which of course wouldn't be a surprise I doubt many will return to Labour under Corbyn

People only support the voting system that is likely to get them elected. We did have a referendum where PR in the form of the alternative vote system was rejected. If there is to be referendum then we need to offer a different type of PR.

People like having their own MP who potters about the town and is approachable. I think that we need a system that keeps the good parts of first past the post, but addresses that fact that the views of 4 million voters is represented by one MP.

'UKIP had more in common with the Tories than current labour policy'

No. UKIP are a common sense party, so there is no politically correct left wing dogma or no excessive capitalist free market dogma. UKIP are for the common people with local democracy and referenda and PR voting to empower ordinary people against the metropolitan elite and all their mates.

So UKIP are against TTIP, which the Tories and the 172 are mostly for. UKIP were against the attack on Libya and the bombing of Syria, which the 172 and the Tories, both led by the Establishment, were for. UKIP were for scrapping the bedroom tax, which the 172 and the Tories and the Establishment were against. UKIP were for taking minimum pay workers out of taxation totally and increasing the tax threshold which the 172 and Gordon Brown and that lot were not for during their 13 years, and which many Tories would never have considered had it not been for the LibDems and the pressure from populist UKIP.

UKIP will now appeal to the working class in the North and will still try to take the common sense conservative vote in the South, but the problem they have is that in our First Past the Post system, the metropolitan elite will nearly always be able to beat them.

'UKIP are done now unless Farage returns'

Not really. Farage is brilliant but the metropolitan elite and their media outplayed him and used propaganda to stop him. But Diane James is better than Farage because Diane James has just as much if not more courage than Farage and just as much common sense, but the key advantage that she has is that she is a woman and therefore the politically corrct metropolitan elite are hamstrung against her, they can't use the same propaganda they used against Farage and therefore she will be able to beat them.

If UKIP carry on winning elections etc at the council level etc, then the metropolitan elite and their BBC will be forced to interview Diane James on TV and once the people she how courageous and how common sense and non-politically correct she is, they will be stunned by the difference to the 172 and the shower they are used to seeing the BBC promote, and UKIP could still be a factor.

But Tory donors are already switching out of backing UKIP and returning to the Tories, because all they ever cared about was Brexit and not PR voting and the battle of the ordinary people against the metropolitan elite and all their mates.

The Establishment will now do its best to defeat UKIP. However, the Establishment have been stunned by Corbyn and the Corbynistas and they are an even bigger threat to them than UKIP, so they may keep UKIP going in the North in order to desperately stem the tide against the Corbynistas.

But the Establishment are fighting a losing battle, because over the Ocean, we have Trump and that is the final victory of the people over the metropolitan elite and all their mates.

the media gave far too much attention to Farage because he is charismatic, he is good tv/radio the villain so many love to hate

its was foolish whats that saying any publicity is good publicity it certainly was for him

Lots of conspiracy theories about why the BBCgave Farage so much publicity. Different theories, but in the end it backfired on them because Farage proved popular and got 4 million votes singlehandedly.

Of course, Farage's popularity was a by-product of the unpopularity of the Establishment and people like me only switched from the Tories to UKIP after we had finally, finally had enough of the Establishment, the metropolitan elite and all their mates. But the fatal thing for the metropolitan elite was that once Pandora's box was opened, once people finally had the gumption to say enough is enough and make a switch, then people are free from their Establishment moorings and open to new possibilities, and now we have a huge threat to the metropolitan elite, the Corbynistas.

The biggest rebellion the world is seeing against the Establishment is now in the United States with Trump who has upturned the Establishment consensus totally and won the support of the people against them, to such an extent that George H W Bush has to desperately vote for Clinton instead of Trump to try in vain to stop what is comng for the Establishment when Trump gets in.

A Trump victory will liberate not only the American people, but all of us here too, because it will be the end of the metropolitan elite, so you ain't seen nothing yet. The Corbyn earthquake is a mere tremor compared to the Trump tsunami and the metropolitan elite know it which is why they will all be tuning in late this evening/tomorrow morning to the Presidential debate, the bigeest in history, praying that Hillary can save them from Trump.

It was more simple than that he pulled in viewers he got people engaged as he was entertaining. mocked or disliked or supported it allowed him to get his message across more fool the media

nothing in the press, social media apart from those that love the fight against the establishment conspiracy or momentum about the fear of Corbyn gaining power because it simply isn't there

the only fear is from Labour party members/supporters/voters like myself is because we see that the Labour party is being destroyed and right now all we can see is the Tories in power until 2025

Farage was used for a number of reasons by the Establishment. They gained a few objectives out of boosting him, but ultimately the misjudged the people and couldn't control the Pandora's box they had opened and they were eventually defeated over Brexit and the EU was a Project that they had championed for over 40 years. They are not as clever as they think they are, which was obvious to the people when they listened to the Oxbridge graduates on TV. They live in a metropolitan echo chamber and underesytimated the British people.

Now they are facing the Corbynistas and they underestimated them too. Now they are at a complete loss and can only cry that Corbyn is a bully, hoping that the people will love the Establishment and the 172 again. But it won't happen. Corbyn has a movement, they have spin.

This is what Ken Loach said and he is spot on

He continued: “When you see him connect to people there is no question that he makes real connections in the way other politicians don’t.

“That’s why they are so afraid of him and that’s why they are after him.”
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“There is no question that what he is proposing is popular and because it attacks corporate power, that is why he is under such attack.”

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ken-loach-jeremy-corbyn_uk_57e6c9b2e4b004d4d862db78

What is happening in politics is enormous. Janan Ganesh's article on the end of the Balls Generation shows that the Oxbridge teams are stunned by what has happened to them and how they now struggle to appeal to the masses.

Horrified. Gutted. Already left party as a consequence.

Haha the Labour Party are the ying to ukips yang

They come out with mad cap ideas there followers bully and torment any decent and then blame the BBc when they look fools on tv

They both are rasict , sexist and extream

We shall look forward to a decade of the Tory's

How any of the corbyn faithful think they could win over large sways of Tory's , UKIP or SNP voters they been smoking what they hope to legalise

I guess the answer is they don't care about power the crustys have wersted power from the middle ground pretty much any time a labour MP or momentum person is on to they show how unelectBle they are today alone

We had

A Jewish stall attacked twice
JM still refusing to apologise for saying a female MP should be lynched
A deleted stament and punching of a wall by MPs
And and sweary rant by two jags

This dosent sound like a govement it waiting to me 😬😕

Thefisher, interesting analysis and there are some elements of truth to what you are saying, but you have to remember that this is the new "kinder, gentler politics" and Labour is currently in a transitionary phase where the 172 are reacting to the "kinder" politics. No one said it would be easy, least of all the wall that Clive Lewis apparently assaulted.

Len McCluskey has said that the "media" must take the blame for the way it has been unfir to Corbyn and there si some truth to that. But he never cared when the same media teams had a go at Farage, but that is the "fairer, kinder" politics in spades.

This is McCluskey's analysis

"The media is a corporate mouthpiece trying to stop Jeremy Corbyn, Unite general secretary Len McCluskey says

Mr Corbyn has got a hostile reception from the press
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“It’s our principles and our ideals that will carry the day once we get through the obstacle of the media – who are the mouthpiece of the establishment of the corporate elite. Of course they want to stop Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell,” Mr McCluskey told a fringe session.

“The truth is, the reason they attack him and say he’s useless and he’ll never ever win a general election – if that was true, if they really believed that they’d want him to stay there.

“The fact is they want to get rid of him, not because they think he can’t win a general election. It’s because they fear he can.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/len-mccluskey-jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-corporate-mouthpiece-establishment-labour-conference-latest-a7329196.html

'they been smoking what they hope to legalise '

I think that is a bit harsh. Surely it would be more accurate to say that it is the some of the leading lights in the 172 who look as if they are permanently stoned out of their minds rather than the young, exuberant, keen Corbynista movement. How else can you explain the 172's choice of Owen Smith as a potential Labour leader?

To be honest they didn't have much to choose from he was best of a bad bunch

Own was more of the same with a tie on

'To be honest they didn't have much to choose from he was best of a bad bunch'

I agree, he was the best they had.

'Owen was more of the same with a tie on'

Absolutely. Banter with a tie.

Well I'm happy about Corbyn's win (lonely)

I do think Labour voters are being a bit too gloomy over it.

Why didn't the 'rebels' sharpen up a bit, put up a candidate who would give Jezza a good run for it?

Owen Smith was really not the best they had

poster lordStrange Mon 26-Sep-16 19:47:20

Do you think he can win over Tory voters , UKIP voters and SNP voters who already have a left wing leader but actually has some balls and dosent look like my geography teacher

Or are you just happy that he won and resign your self to electrol black hole
On one wins a election on the xtream JC won't win for the same reason NF will never win an election

I think Corbyn has mighty balls actually and I think he can win. Of course he can.

It's tough to win votes from Tory folk but not impossible. He is the most likely candidate to win over Ukippers and SNP.

Lord strange

Fair enough my husband always voted labour never will wile corbyn is in and I can tell you as someon who voted for TB and now vote Tory I will never vote for disbanding the army not renewing trident and brrowing 500 billion

If he's not effective as the opposition it's unlikely he will be effective as govermnet

It was not worth putting a really good candidate up against Corbyn as the party membership has been infiltrated by the far left he would win over anyone at the moment. I feel Smith would have been better and could run a better opposition but that wasn't to be.

The moderates need to get together and work on getting behind someone not next year maybe the year after

Corbyn will never be PM the talk of a kinder politics has already been broken so the fighting will carry on just not as openly

He will win over UKIP voters when he wants open borders

Yes of course he will