Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

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For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

Good article by Ken Loach. Always impressed by Ken Loach.

"But Loach told the Press Association: “Absolutely he can be elected. The problem is he is low in the polls because most of his senior MPs keep telling people he is no good.”

He added: “The party has huge confidence in him, he has trebled the membership and he is clearly popular once you actually can get through the bad propaganda from right-wing Labour MPs, the BBC and the press.”

He continued: “When you see him connect to people there is no question that he makes real connections in the way other politicians don’t."

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ken-loach-jeremy-corbyn_uk_57e6c9b2e4b004d4d862db78

Also this is a truly stunning article about what has happened to our politics, our golden generation of politicos from oxbridge and what will happen all across the world by Jana Ganesh of the financial Times. Usually Ganesh gets it all wrong as he was against Brexit and pro Osborne and Cameron etc, but this time he is spot on in understanding what is going on.

'Generation Balls in UK politics already reeks of yesterday'

www.ft.com/cms/s/3241b5a4-800b-11e6-8e50-8ec15fb462f4,Authorised=false.html?siteedition=uk&_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F3241b5a4-800b-11e6-8e50-8ec15fb462f4.html%3Fsiteedition%3Duk&_i_referer=&classification=conditional_standard&iab=barrier-app#axzz4LHqFXl3x

And this is an apocalyptic scaremongering "en of Western Civilization Brexit" style version from the Telegraph of what the follow-up to Corbyn might mean.

What if in years to come, Mr Corbyn were to give way to a leader with Mr Farage’s common touch or Mr Trump’s near-unstoppable bombast?

Whisper it, but some Tories know that they too must deal with the ideas that drive Mr Corbyn’s legions. When the Conservatives gather for their conference next week, Theresa May won’t toast Mr Corbyn in champagne and tell her party his party’s weakness means the Tories can now embark on a decade of tax cuts, privatisation and the completion of Lady Thatcher’s trade union reforms, a vision of Britain with the world’s freest market and smallest state.

Instead, she’ll talk about the gap between rich and poor, new rules to make public companies publish (and thus, defend) their executives’ pay.

If British workers get seats reserved on company boards, it’ll be a Conservative prime minister who announces the plan, but Mr Corbyn and his band will be able to claim at least partial authorship of the plan.

So Mrs May is not complacent, not blind to the possible meanings of the Corbyn movement."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/23/dont-be-afraid-of-jeremy-corbyn-be-afraid-of-what-comes-after-hi/

“That’s why they are so afraid of him and that’s why they are after him.”

Puzzle part of me wants MP's to break away but I don't want the end of the Labour Party

Ken Loach yes good old staunch socialist Ken Loach who joins forces with George Galloway what a vote puller they both are

I don't like Galloway.

Have hou heard any Tory supporters or MP's concerned about Corbyn leading the Labour Party because I haven't only concerns that Labour are not the opposition party they should be

It's odd all these cries of the establishment fear Corbyn are only from the far left no one else bothers with this nonsense or even responds to it

Not many people do but Ken Loach does

'Have hou heard any Tory supporters or MP's concerned about Corbyn leading the Labour Party because I haven't '

Yes, right at the beginning of Corbyn's reign over a year ago. I can't remember which Tory it was on Sky News, but he said that the Tories are not complacent because they understand that the shift to the left will have implications for them. That is why May wil have to move left too and concentrate on the squeezed middle and ordinary people and social mobility etc. The Corbynistas have shifted all of our politics to the left, just as Bernie Sanders forced Clinton to the left and forced her to say that she is now against TTP. The whole world has swung left and Janan Ganesh's Financial Times article explains how all of the Ed Balls generation are uesterday's people now. The change that has happened is enormous.

That is why May wil have to move left too and concentrate on the squeezed middle and ordinary people and social mobility etc

An alternative political view point is that she is moving further to the middle because Corbyn is vacating this space, the Overton window will not be shifted without a backlash from the right, and at the minute it's the 'anti-establishment' right that's growing just as fast as the extreme left, horseshoe theory dictates there is not much difference between the 2, and it's more anti globalisation rather than the whole world shifting left, IMO

One Tory MP

Conservatives are in their second term (ok one was meant to be a coalition) politics nearly always moves away from the ruling party as no government can get things right all the time and people become disappointed that's why opposition parties do so well in local elections, well apart from labour under Corbyn

It's me and other labour voters and party members who do not support Corbyn that fear what he is doing and that is destroying the party

I agree May is after the middle voters that won't vote for Labour under Corbyn

Then there are the labour voters that won't vote for Corbyn but might for LibDems

'An alternative political view point is that she is moving further to the middle because Corbyn is vacating this space'

Yes, that is a good point. That may be what is in fact happening.

'it's more anti globalisation rather than the whole world shifting left'

Yes anti-globalisation is the main thing. But Labour has swung left and left Blair and Progress stranded. Owen Smith even claimed that he agreed with most of Jeremy's policies, so anti-austerity is now the default position of Labour and that is a huge change that Corbyn was responsible for.

"Why not call ‘Left-wing’ Theresa May’s bluff?

If the new Prime Minister wants to move Left, why not hold her to it?
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May has chosen to run as a Tory reformer, stealing Leftish clothes to denounce inequality and the boss class.

Chris Dillow puts it well:

“She complained that many people in politics don’t appreciate ‘how hard life is for the working class’; of workers being ‘exploited by unscrupulous bosses’; of ‘irresponsible behaviour in big business’ and of an ‘irrational, unhealthy and growing gap’ between workers’ and bosses’ pay.

She went onto demand a ‘proper industrial strategy’ to raise productivity – one that might block hostile takeovers; of the need to ‘give people more control of their lives’; of the need for workers on company boards; a ‘crack down on individual and corporate tax avoidance and evasion’; and restraints upon CEO pay.”

leftfootforward.org/2016/07/why-not-call-left-wing-theresa-mays-bluff/

May hasn't put a foot wrong yet.

She is hardly moving into left wing politics she is moving to the centre

And will no doubt win against Corbyn with a huge majority

Dennis Skinner seems to disagree. He says Labour has "the biggest army".

But it won't be easy. It depends on what happens to the People's Army that shook the world.

Dennis Skinner

Claig, you're making the classic mistake of confusing 'Conservative' for 'Capitalist'. There are plenty of Conservative voters who perceive the growing gap between rich and poor with distaste. Being a Conservative does not require one to be a fundamentalist free market capitalist - that is simply the ideology for a portion of those at the right of the party. An equal or greater number are far more moderate in their opinions.

Claig, you're making the classic mistake of confusing 'Conservative' for 'Capitalist'. There are plenty of Conservative voters who perceive the growing gap between rich and poor with distaste. Being a Conservative does not require one to be a fundamentalist free market capitalist - that is simply the ideology for a portion of those at the right of the party. An equal or greater number are far more moderate in their opinions.

'There are plenty of Conservative voters who perceive the growing gap between rich and poor with distaste'

I agree, you are right and Theresa May is one of those conservatives. It is the media who paints the conservatives into a corner and pretends they are all ogres. May has set the emphasis on helping ordinary people gain a leg up and a fair chance and the opportunity to have real social mobility based on a real meritocracy which puts them on a equal footing to the Etonians who have money.

May appears to have been disliked by some of the Etonians who used to run us and May is now setijng the record straight and changing the emphasis of policy to help ordinary people and the squeezed middle. That way she will regain the lost Tory voters who had enough of Cameroonianism. May has the potential to be the second champion that the middle class has ever had after Thatcher. If May plays it right and also learns from the Corbyn revolution and respects the Corbynistas (unlike Hillary Benn and the champagne socialists) then she will be difficult to defeat.

Janan Ganesh's FT article on the end of the Balls Generation, the end of the Oxbridge golden generation of SPADs and all the rest of the professional spinners, the highlighting of their complete unworldly naivety when faced with the real world which is now returning as spin is laughed at by the people and as Trump is next to rock the world, signals the huge changes of which the Corbynistas are just one part. May is also a part of it, but who eventually wins is the one who can ride the tiger and understand and repect the people.

Can no longer vote Labour.

Claig, are you continuing to support UKIP?

'Claig, are you continuing to support UKIP?'

Not sure at the moment. Everything is up in the air. Evaluating all possibilities. Anybody who can defeat the metropolitan elite and all their mates gets my vote.

Diane James, leader of UKIP, is brilliant, you have never seen courage like that in one of the Oxbridge clone politicians that the Establishment wheels out, but UKIP don't really stand a chance of gaining power, so I will have to decide which party stands the best chance of defeating the metropolitan elite and all their mates. Not sure yet. Listening to all options.

Of course, Trump will beat the metropolitan elite and all their mates, which is why the people's best hope is Trump.

But I agree with you, IceBeing, that the number one priority that we need as a country is proportional representation so that the people can end this rigged Establishment system where most people's real voting preferences don't count.

Even though I am no fan of the 172 and all their political correctness and spin and Estabblishment kowtowing, I would even vote for Chuka Umunna, simply because he wants to get rid of first past the post and give us all PR voting, if that stood a chance of happening.

UKIP had more in common with the Tories than current labour policy. Other than the desire to kick out immigrants, what does UKIP offer the traditional labour voter? I don't want my country run by people to the right of Attila the Hun.

I wish that the lib dems could have a charismatic leader. We need a centre ground where there is a balance between compassion and encouraging hard work. I voted Tory last time and the present govement is doing lots of policies that I never voted for.