Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

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For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

'What or who are the 172?'

They are the 172 Labour MPs who had no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn and who triggered the Leadership challenge in which they were soundly defeated by Labour members.

I love how claig supports Farage & Thatcher yet can drone on and on about how the rest of us aren't pure enugh doctrinally.

'the rest of us aren't pure enugh doctrinally'

There is no one doctrine. Many people are doctrinally pure to Blairism. They lost.

Claig, are you a member of the Labour Party? Have you ever voted Labour?

It seems that Smith won amongst the young voters, he won in Scotland and nearly won in London.

So not as cut and dried as many Corbyn supporters like to think.

They lost.. well I suppose it depends on how you define lost . If you take general election victories I think Blair may be slightly ahead of Corbyn .

'Claig, are you a member of the Labour Party? Have you ever voted Labour?'

Not a member of any party and have voted labour. If Labour allow members to vote for policies, I might even break the habit of a lifetime and join a party - the Labour Party - because I believe in popular democracy where the people decide and not the cronies.

'It seems that Smith won amongst the young voters'

Have you got a link for that? Because Corbyn won among members, 60% among affiliates and 70% among supporters.

Does it matter? How many people are convinced by someone knocking at a door and giving them a 10 minute party spiel? People make their minds up over time via the media, friends and family, social media etc and most aren't swayed by someone knocking on a door

Oh and you missed the bit about the other campaigning done.

Yes it does matter.

The way you are so condescending to people that give up hours and hours of time to the party speaks volumes.

Many people aren't on SM and in case you've forgotten the media don't like Corbyn.

It is also SM and family and friends that cause echo chambers.

It's exactly that kind of 'who cares' attitude that gets to people who give up time energy to the party and many won't bother in the future.

Here is the break down of voters.

election-data.co.uk/labour-leadership-exit-poll

It is for members. Not that it matters as Corbyn supporters seem to think members are the be all and end all anyway.

'Blair did all this too, very successfully until he encountered the Iraq war and Saddam Hussein.'

I agree. That is why I, along with many other Toy voters, voted for Blair in 1997.

'The way you are so condescending to people that give up hours and hours of time to the party speaks volumes.'

I am just being honest. The last time a Conservative campaigner knocked on my door, they got a mouthful and they haven't been back.

'It is also SM and family and friends that cause echo chambers.'

But it is echo chambers that create longterm voters. Corbyn is right that Labour is now a movement with 600,000 members and they will speak to their friends and collaegues at work or down the pub and in cafes etc and little by little more and more people will be convinced by what they say because they know them and like them. That is totally different to some councillor knocking on a starnger's door witha picture of Ed Miliband eating a bacon sandwich and saying have you heard about Gordon Brown's non-endogenous growth theory.

Corbyn's movement will spread in an organic, non-forced, non-spin manner and that is why it will reap dividends.

Claig I almost laughed outloud about your possible membership of the party that used to be labour but now is Momentum

You may want to keep your Farage and Trump admiration very very quiet if you do. The new momentum/labour party is many things but they are not fans of them - it is likey you would be purged before entry I'm afraid

On a not lighter note anyone else thinking about leaving the party - I really am as split as the party is. Should I stay or go? Oh and it isn't because Smith lost. It's because JC won

Piglet - I agree, social media is a huge echo chamber since we self select what we view. Mainstream media still provides opportunities to be exposed to different views - for example the opinion and analysis pages on the Guardian website often have opposing views represented, of course it's up to the reader to click on the article.

I'm genuinely curious as to how the Labour Party under Corbyn will campaign in a general election. He'll have to get out of his comfort zone of speaking at momentum rallies and actually address non-converts and he'll have an uphill battle in Scotland to say the least. As for his supporters, so far they seem to be hostile and combative to non-Corbyn supporters or those who have criticisms of his policies/competence issues etc... My brother took the trouble to attend a Corbyn event in the run up to the leadership contest as he wasn't sure how he would vote. To be frank he was appalled at how bad Corbyn was at public speaking - he rambled, didn't finish sentences and changed topics suddenly, it was hard to follow him. My DB asked some (presumably momentum) campaigners there some questions on Corbyn's intent to encourage a Norwegian style agreement post Brexit and doesn't that mean accepting continued unlimited freedom of movement, how would he get public support for that? He didn't even get an answer, just a very hostile response and was basically told he was clearly a right-wing Blairite. This is only one anecdotal experience but I can't imagine supporters like this persuading many people to vote Labour in the election!

Claig you are assuming that all Labour members support Corbyn.

He didn't win by 100% and 20% ish couldn't be bothered to even vote.

Echo Chambers also endorse your own bias and convince you that you are right and everyone else is wrong as everyone you know, knows x y or z.

It narrows your views and encourages blinkers.

'it is likely you would be purged before entry I'm afraid'

Possibly so. That would be their loss.

'Claig you are assuming that all Labour members support Corbyn.'

No, i realise that many members didn't support him - 38%, and the majority on this thread.

Yes echo chambers act like that but that is how most people used to form their loyalty to the Labour Party, for example, through their community and family history and the circle of friends who shared similar views.

Echo chambers are very important because they are organic and grow in a natural fashion rather than parachuted in spin by a political party backed by millionaire donor funding. It is difficult to change people's long-held views. There are not that many floating voters who can switch from Thatcher to Blair to UKIP and the LibDems for example, most people tend to stick loyally to one party even if they are led by idiots from Oxbridge or Eton. But, with Cameron, the process of people splitting from their loyalties began and 20% of Tory voters switched to UKIP and lots of Labour voters switched to SNP and the Greens. Now the genie is out of the bottle and Momentum has defeated the Establishment and all bets are off about what happens next. The 172 failed to stem the tide of populist insurgency. Now Corbyn and his 600,000 member echo chamber hopes to clean up.

Showme I am torn but think I will stay. There may be a GE in spring 2017, May will probably et back in with a large majority, and Maybe JC will resign then or face a better organised challenge. In some ways I am surprised nearly 200k voted for Smith. What I can't decide is would it be better for the party to split and a new pro Europe party start again with a clean slate? There re 16 million Remain voters out there....in which case leaving the party might send the right signal? Or stay and make a noise and fight ds elections? I just saw JC interviewed and asked about deselection and shadow cabinet elections and he refused to give any assurances and said people need not fear as the process will be democratic......if that's his attitude to uniting the party I I've it till tea time to split again.

I did read one editorial on the result that suggested a course of action for the Labour moderates who don't support Corbyn. Why don't the PLP MP's who continue in their oppostion to Corbyn get organised and work on increasing Labour party membership of moderate voters over the next few years to counter the recent membership increase in left-wing Corbyn supporters. They are still part of the Labour party and they shouldn't just give up and cede the party over to a smaller more left-wing group within the party. This is why I think it's important to not rashly quit the party in despair but stay on to be a voice for the party we want.

Some of the attitudes on here are baffling. Looking at this as a foreigner the Labour Party is now the biggest party in Europe by quite some margin. This has happened because Corbyn has inspired so many people to join up. That's not inspired people to come out and vote once every few years, but actually join up and get involved. That's massive on a scale not really replicated anywhere else in decades.

Posters can disagree with his policies, not rate him personally, be of the belief that he is a hypocrite, etc. That's all subjective stuff. But objectively the man has shown the ability to inspire and mobilise in a way that no other British politician has currently been able to. Whether you believe it's good or bad thing is subjective but that he has done it is an indisputable fact.

Anyone dismissing him as unelectable is in wilful denial. He clearly has vast potential to inspire voters. Just because he mightn't inspire you personally doesn't mean that he won't inspire two more for each person he doesn't. As happened this week (and the results would probably have been three+ to one if new members hadn't been banned from voting).

Excellent post, SpringerS. Spot on.

'Anyone dismissing him as unelectable is in wilful denial. '

Or worse than that - outright deceit, which is the Establishment's usual modus operandi.

SpringerS I am afraid as with all parties it is boots on the floor getting people out to vote that counts not the membership numbers - look at the Tory successes with a very small membership. There is no correlation of membership numbers to electoral votes

JC does not appeal to the electorate. And he never will. This was a Jexit vote almost 40% voted against him not for Smith and actually much more of the actual membership. The young voted against him. People are leaving after decades of membership. People have been intimidated. Local parties have been taken over.

At the moment I am staying. The only reason my local party isn't gloating is I think due to the insane suspensions that are taking place. There is unease and tiredness on all sides. I will stay for the duration and see what happens. If they start deselections I willl have to leave