Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

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For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

Corbyn has shown solidarity towards IRA terrorists

Smith was saying (before he was cut off) if ISIS stopped killing people and wanted to enter peace talks - bad move as they will never want to do this he was trying to out Corbyn Corbyn and Corbyn tried to get back to this but was cut off

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And Trump was praising saddems dealing with terrorists him showing any form of support to a terrorist group that attacked US citizens well he simply wouldn't be in the running

He supported STWC and never spoke out against them

By the way, re the Oxbridge mafia - Clement Attlee, Michael Foot and Tony Benn all studied at Oxford. I take it that means they were part of the mafia too?

I'm no fan of McDonnell with his off-taste jokes about assassinating Margaret Thatcher and his support for the IRA, or Corbyn's position on the IRA, or Livingstone's. These are all the usual loony left policies.

But, just as it didn't affect Ken Livingstone when he stood as Mayor, I don't think it will have a great effect on Corbyn if and only if he comes up with really good, different policies to the 172, on housing, health, education and employment.

But we have already seen that Corbyn is weak and caves in - against the 172 and when he gave some cock and bull story about why he didn't sing the National Anthem etc.

If Corbyn is honest and not weak, then I think the public will ignore his crazy loony left views.

' I take it that means they were part of the mafia too?'

George Orwell went to Eton. Not everyone is part of the team.

and if Corbyn had received good results he is likely to have gone to one of the top universities maybe even Oxford as his private and grammar education had certainly prepared him for that

London is a stong hold Labour city

there wasn't much opposition to Livingston until Boris came along not many people liked Red Ken its just there wasn't anyone else of significance around at the time

and the Mayor position is very very different from PM

'there wasn't much opposition to Livingston until Boris came along not many people liked Red Ken its just there wasn't anyone else of significance around at the time

and the Mayor position is very very different from PM'

Yes, I agree. That is a good point.

and if Ken could engage his mouth with his brain he would know to shut up and quietly support Corbyn

but he is far too excited over the thought of deselecting MP's

he is and always has been a vile man he turned many true labour supporters off labour in the 80's and is doing the same now 30 years later

This is what Orwell said and he makes a good point and accurately describes more than half of the Shadow Cabinet and a large proportion of the 172

“Socialism is such elementary common sense,” wrote Orwell, “that I am sometimes amazed that it has not established itself already.” The working class, he said, “ought to be flocking” to the socialist cause. And yet, to Orwell’s frustration, they weren’t. Why not?

One major reason, he argued, was that the working class were being “driven away” by a certain type of socialist – a type they believed to be utterly out of touch with their lives, views and interests. Orwell agreed. This type of socialist, he complained bitterly, was “bearded”, “vegetarian”, “teetotal”, “prim”, “middle-class”, “a crank” and “a pacifist”.

www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/09/24/what-would-george-orwell-think-of-jeremy-corbyn/

But what Orwell fails to mention is that the people are prepared to ignore all of the loony left stuff as long as they are offered what they really want on housing, employment, education and health. That is what Corbyn has a chance of doing because he has set forth a populist agenda that challenges the Establishment consensus and if he succeeds in articulating that, then there is nothing the BBC can do to stop him.

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If Corbyn is honest and not weak, then I think the public will ignore his crazy loony left views.

I don't think you could be more wrong if you tried. Are you really suggesting that the public are stupid enough to vote for him despite his batshit stupid policies and extremely dodgy friends in the IRA, Hamas etc? He doesn't care about his Party imploding, he doesn't care about this country or its people, the only thing driving him on is his massive ego.

I feel incredibly sorry for normal Labour voters who are left without a Party to support. It has been stolen from them by this cretin.

'Are you really suggesting that the public are stupid enough to vote for him despite his batshit stupid policies and extremely dodgy friends in the IRA, Hamas etc? '

They voted for Ken Livingstone. They ignore the loony left stuff if they get what they want on what they consider the fundamental core issues of housing, employment, education and health.

they wouldn't vote for KL if he was running for PM

no what Corbyn's type of socialism ignores is that many people from the wc aspire to have mc trappings home ownership and a chance to send their children to private or grammar schools he may want to leave them behind but that's a choice for him

'they wouldn't vote for KL if he was running for PM'

I am not sure about that. Red Ken was popular with many, many voters because of that rare characteristic among the political class which Corbyn has some of and which Farage has tons of, the courage to challenge the Establishment consensus.

Red Ken had no fear of the Establishment, he took it to them. Corbyn hasn't got that level of courage, but he has got a bit of it.

Red Ken was the anti-politician who took on Blair and the Blairites and that is why people liked him despite some of his loony left behaviour.

Corbyn is slightly similar in that the Blairites, the 172 and all the rest of them are all against him. That is why he is popular even among non-Labour voters. People want a politician with a bit of backbone and an independet mind rather than the cronies they are used to. That is why Theresa May is off to a flying start as she gets rid of the Cameron legacy.

'no what Corbyn's type of socialism ignores is that many people from the wc aspire to have mc trappings home ownership and a chance to send their children to private or grammar schools he may want to leave them behind but that's a choice for him'

I agree. That is Thatcherism and UKIP and that is why Thatcher won and why UKIP is eating into the Labour heartlands.

Corbyn is a politically correct lefty, he can't get rid of the baggage of 50 years of politically correct Labour thinking which is why it won't be a walkover for him. He is apparently organising a Momentum march against grammar schools. Totally pointless and ineffectual and misses the point about what working class people really want.

But it looks like he may possibly stumble on the key to unlock the public's vote over teh real issues that count if he has the ability to defeat the 172 and concentrate on priorities.

To be fair to Corbyn, ( and I could weep at what he has done to the Labour party) the Grammar school issue is something he should be targeting. May has made an error there, no real public support for it, and an effective opposition should be shouting from the rooftops on that issue.
Also I doubt Blair lost any sleep over ken livingstone.

The trouble with Labour is that they are out of touch with the working class because most of their leading lights aren't working class, they are part of the club, the metropolitan elite, the Oxbridge set, chosen and selected by the Establishment to play the three card trick game agaist the people.

"Jeremy Corbyn's grammar schools crusade sets him against Labour's working-class voters"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/09/jeremy-corbyns-crusade-against-grammar-schools-sets-himself-agai/

And then you have Owen Smith against Brexit.

It is just more lunacy and out of touchness by the metropolitan elite. Thatcher's genius was that she understood the working class and was a champion for the middle class, the first and only champion we have ever had apart from maybe Theresa May.

But one day Labour will get its act together and the fact that Corbyn has demolished the metropolitan elite set is a good sign that real change is finally coming and then with a smattering of common sense, Labour will win and deliver change.

Red Ken was despised by many many labour voters and still is

Funny thought you thinking he would have a chance

Corbyn is slightly similar in that the Blairites, the 172 and all the rest of them are all against him.

How about you stop calling people 'Blairites' just because they don't think Corbyn is the best thing since sliced bread!

'How about you stop calling people 'Blairites' just because they don't think Corbyn is the best thing since sliced bread!

Are you denying that Blairites have opposed Corbyn? I distinguished between the Blairites, the 172 and all the rest because they are not all Blairites even though they are with the Blairites in opposing Corbyn and Momentum.

'Red Ken was despised by many many labour voters and still is '

If Red Ken and Tony Blair were to give a speech at a Labour Party Conference, I think Red Ken would get a larger audience because he is a socialist and Blair is Blair.

Are you denying that Blairites have opposed Corbyn? I distinguished between the Blairites, the 172 and all the rest because they are not all Blairites even though they are with the Blairites in opposing Corbyn and Momentum.

You know exactly which way you are using it

As I say my DH has today left the party after over 30 years. He is far from a Blairite.

I know of many others in our CLP who have done the same today.

All campaigners. Let's see how many of the new members go door knocking etc.

I guess none if the amount that turned up at the last time we did it is anything to go by.

'Let's see how many of the new members go door knocking etc.'

Does it matter? How many people are convinced by someone knocking at a door and giving them a 10 minute party spiel? People make their minds up over time via the media, friends and family, social media etc and most aren't swayed by someone knocking on a door. Brexit showed that. The Establishment was knocking on and banging down more doors than the Big Bad Wolf, but they didn't win.

This is going to be a long bloody 4 years! Once we have a general election and Labour loses by a landslide then perhaps we can start rebuilding the party. The problem as I see it (and all my lifelong Labour friends share this view) is that currently there is no good candidate to genuinely unify the party. I have nothing against Corbyn but I believe the first hand accounts I have read by former Shadow Cabinet members describing their frustrating experiences of trying to work with him and his inner circle of advisers and despite a biased media there are genuine competency issues. I also detest McDonnell and while he is in the picture as Iago to Corbyn's Othello, the ugly bullying and divisions in the party will continue. Like Corbyn or not he is divisive to the detriment of the Labour party and all the ranting in the world about the biased MSM won't change that fact.

I had to laugh when reading the comments in the Guardian today, Corbyn supporters are naturally jubilant and telling any commenters who expresses disappointment to fuck off and vote for the Tories since anyone who doesn't like Corbyn is a Blairite Tory... Oh the irony because this is exactly why Labour won't win in 2020! I'm pinning my hopes on Sadiq Khan for 2025.

What or who are the 172?

I've never heard reference to this before, and it sounds sinister