Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

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For full disclosure I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. I'm quite excited and hopeful that he's won again. Anyone else feeling it?!

do you really think a man with his connections and stance would ever be voted as PM

he will be destroyed by the most of the media they will show he isn't such a principled man and running up to a general election they will remind voters day after day why he should never be PM at the moment they have mocked him little else as he isn't a threat

he will not be able to run away from these facts, he can ignore them but he wont be able to run away from them

even if I supported him I am not foolish enough to believe this can and should be overlooked

'do you really think a man with his connections and stance would ever be voted as PM'

Yes. It won't be easy because the Tories will hit him hard, but at the end of teh day, the number one thing most people care about is living standards, health, education, jobs and quality of life and they will think thatthe Establishment is trying to do Corbyn down.

Don't forget that the 172 and the Blairites and the Establishment were desperate to stop Corbyn this time and they could have used all those arguments against Corbyn if they had wanted to. The reason they didn't use them is probably because they thought they would backfire on them and that they wouldn't work.

They threw the kitchen sink at Corbyn and the BBC helped them, but they still failed. Now we will see if they are just like George H W Bush and the Republican elite in the United States who prefer Clinton to Trump. The centre sticks together to save itself. Let's see if they abandon Labour and prefer the Tories in order to stop Corbyn and the thousands of Labour members.

but at the end of teh day, the number one thing most people care about is living standards, health, education, jobs and quality of life and they will think thatthe Establishment is trying to do Corbyn down.

But with his pro immigration - almost open border stance, he isn't in tune with the core demographic of the labour voter, so....

'But with his pro immigration - almost open border stance, he isn't in tune with the core demographic of the labour voter, so....'

I agree. That is one of his crazy politically correct left wing dogma positions. It is not popular, but I think that the public will even ignore that if Corbyn offers them enough of what they want. "You can't always get what you want" and the public is prepared to compromise and ignre political correctness if it feels the tradeoff is worth it. Don't forget that the public won't believe a word that Chuka Umunna or Yvette Cooper etc might say on immigration anyway, if they claim to be tough on it, so for the public Corbyn is no worse than the rest of the 172 on that issue.

When Corbyn loses the next election, will he stand down, Has he said? Or is there any mechanism to definitely force him from office just because he is leader of Labour when they lose? Could he continue with the dog-in-a-manger routine for as long as the party members keep voting him back in as leader? How long might Labour be stuck with him for.

Yes I will be telling everyone I know what he has been doing over the years as a backbencher: from tea with Sinn Fein to presenting Iranian PressTV, leading StopTheWar comittee to enjoying Al Quds marches. If they like all that then great: vote Labour with that knowledge.

But he isn't Frank Field with a beard.

I'm so happy Corbyn is leader, I can get my popcorn and sit back and watch the fall-out. Perhaps a party split .Mainly the media having a field day.

The only negative of this is, labour you've secured a Tory government for the foreseeable future. Thanks for that.....

Yes, but what is so different now is the disgust with the Establishment that is teh underlying mood of the people that wasn't there in the late 1970s.

I don't know how old you are, claig, but I'm 55 and therefore old enough to vote and pay attention to politics in the 70s and 80s. I can tell you that there was huge disgust with the Establishment in the 80s but it didn't translate into electoral success for Michael Foot and the Labour party because most electors thought the very left-wing policies Labour adopted in the 80s were too extreme. It will be the same again now.

Enthusiasm, I agree. I think the media hasn't really got started on (your?) list lower down. Most of them on their own are utterly damning. For me, his Paris comment was the last straw as it was a current, predictable and fair question after enough time to settle into the job and he screwed it up utterly. And then had to correct himself two days later. On such an important question.

I was young in the Thatcher years and I was pro Thatcher along with the majority of the public. At the time, none of us realised that the Establishment were "all in it together", that they were all an Oxbridge team working for a common purpose and fooling the public. We thought Thatcher was different to Pinnock etc.

Now we know different, now we know that they are all Blairites, "all in it together" along with the bankers. That is why we have Momentum, UKIP, Brexit and Trump. Now we know the truth, now we have learned from their lies.

really Claig

a few pictures of him cosying up with Gerry Adams and being at pro IRA rallies, his friends speech would destroy the most popular of mp's

you know that you are not that foolish

Labours hope of ever leading the country is dead. Taking a broader view it is bad news for having effective opposition.

The people to benefit from this vote are obviously corbynistas and Momentum, but also the Conservatives and probably the SNP (because of the state of Scottish Labour)

I think Corbyn will cling on to leadership until he's forced out and even then he won't go out without a fight.

When he was out campaigning before his election last year, My Mum and Stepdad - both of who are are lifelong LP members and activists (the sort who go out for knocking, leafleting etc so not just lip service) - attended one of his rallies and met him afterwards. They asked him if he would stand down if it became clear that his leadership was damaging the party. His answered that he would, which was clearly a lie - he obviously had no intention of doing this.

Who's 'we'? You don't speak for me. I was not pro Thatcher. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Momentum, UKIP, Brexit and Trump terrify me because they are signs that significant numbers of people are not capable of being open-minded and logical. The bigots and zealots are on the rise and this is not a positive thing.

'a few pictures of him cosying up with Gerry Adams and being at pro IRA rallies, his friends speech would destroy the most popular of mp's'

I don't think it will, just as Trump's gaffes and statements haven't destroyed him despite all the attempts of the mainstream media to do so.

Corbyn does have huge negatives, but I don't think the Establishment will be able to turn the people against him whatever they do, just as the 172's stories of bullying etc by Corbyn failed to convince Labour members.

'Who's 'we'? '

The majority, just like the pro Thatcher people were the majority at the time.

The majority of the country were NOT pro Thatcher, Claig. As usual it was a split opposition. Get your bloody facts right!

Who's 'we'? You don't speak for me. I was not pro Thatcher. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Momentum, UKIP, Brexit and Trump terrify me because they are signs that significant numbers of people are not capable of being open-minded and logical. The bigots and zealots are on the rise and this is not a positive thing.

Agree.

I suggest if you were pro-Thatcher, your judgement is a bit off.

'As usual it was a split opposition. '

Yes. I mean the largest majority of voters who voted for one of the options.

Corbyn has left this country with no credible opposition, his backbenchers will now go against him, the whip won't be able to cope, the absolute farce of people begging for their shadow cabinet jobs back, the true revelations of corbyns connections, a 4 year campaign to further vilify him. I mean you don't need tv, this will be entertainment gold 😂

American politics is very different if Trump had connections and friends that Corbyn has we simply wouldn't be talking about him right now he wouldn't stand a chance

we live under the threat of Islamic terrorism it is something that unites the majority of people in this country that we have to be able to defend ourselves our fight with the IRA isn't history from long ago who would have confidence in him apart from his most loyal supporters that he could do this

how could corbyn sit around a table of Israel and ME leaders and talk about peace he can't and never will

'American politics is very different if Trump had connections and friends that Corbyn has we simply wouldn't be talking about him right now he wouldn't stand a chance'

Trump is mmates with Putin, says he would have preferred Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi to have stayed in power, has gone against the entire Republican and Clinton foreign policy consensus, says he will sack most of the foreign policy advisers and generals who have got everything wrong and has said that he doesn't trsust a lot of their briefings. That is in the wordl power, much more important than Corbyn. It hasn't affected Trump one iota because most of the public don't care, it is only the Establishment that cares.

I think some of the UK public will care.

The ones that regularly feel the duty to go out and vote that is. Maybe the new Jeremy inspired voters will cancel them out. Or maybe it will be increased vote share in London but struggling elsewhere?

BakewellTartAgain, you are right it will be tough for Corbyn because he will be hit hard. It all depends what he offers the people. If his offer is good enough, then I think that nothing he is hit with will dent him. But if he caves into the 172 and offers more Tory-lite then he is finished because the public won't back him and then his negatives will count against him.

He has to come up with some stunning changes in policy for the country. If he relies on the 172 to advise him, then he will fail.