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What happens if Trump wins?

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Soapalert · 31/07/2016 07:28

I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

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AcrossthePond55 · 02/08/2016 23:09

dogwood I agree. I think that if Eagleton were to be nominated today, his past treatment would be somewhat of a non-issue.

Think also of FDR, who had to hide the fact that he couldn't walk for fear of being deemed 'unfit' to be president. The man who steered our country out of a depression and guided it through WWII. Unfit to serve. Boggles the modern mind.

We have a long way to go in equal treatment for people with disabilities. But we have come a long way from then.

claig · 02/08/2016 23:13

'No, I see it as claig promoting any politician who is anti-establishment'

Thanks, SurferJet, that is right, that is why I support Corbyn. I hope he beats the stooges so that he frees our politics of them and allows tru multi-party democracy to flourish where the stooges are not "all in it together" and where the public gets a real choice of different policies from which to choose.

As one of the country's top political commentators, Peter Oborne, says

PETER OBORNE: Lefties loathe him but the truth is Nigel Farage changed history

By my estimate, only three politicians have made a genuine, enduring difference to Britain in the past 50 years.
...
Now, in the aftermath of Brexit, we can add Nigel Farage as a fourth change-maker (to use the buzzword employed this week by Bill Clinton about his wife Hillary).

Farage, who has announced his resignation as the leader of Ukip, has never even been an MP. Yet his political legacy will be far more profound than that of most prime ministers.

I believe future historians will consider him as significant as Roy Jenkins and a bigger figure than Heath."

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3715544/PETER-OBORNE-Lefties-loathe-truth-man-changed-history.html

claig · 02/08/2016 23:18

'But Trump is very obviously unstable. He is utterly unable to debate without reacting disproportionately: he cannot accept any criticism, while simultaneously dishing out extreme insults (Hillary the actual devil???). '

Trump definitely has a thin skin and goes on the offence more than most politicians, and most of the Fox hosts keep telling viewers that Trump has "blown it" and "is done", but they are all wrong, just as they were when they said the same things in the primaries. Trump's genius is that he is not like other "career politicians", Trump is a "wrecking ball", and anti Establishment outsider who is tearing up all the rules that the political class play by and communicating directly with the people who have had enough of the stooges. That is why Trump will win, because the more the media, Fox, Obama, the BBC, Davos and the world's political elite attack Trump, the more the people will like him.

claig · 02/08/2016 23:27

Farage is a joke compared to Trump which is why Farage criticises Trump and doesn't fully back him. Farage hasn't got the courage of Trump. Trump is incredible in his level of courage and his ability to confront the Establishment and the world's political class. They have never had an opponent like Trump and Hillary has never had an opponent like Trump which is why the live debates will make or break her. This election is for real, Trump is "all in", they are all against him, the entire world elite, but I think Trump will end their dreams and schemes and the American people will vote him in.

'Donald Trump will win in a landslide. *The mind behind ‘Dilbert’ explains why.'

www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2016/03/21/donald-trump-will-win-in-a-landslide-the-mind-behind-dilbert-explains-why/

Threesoundslikealot · 02/08/2016 23:29

Not really true. His ratings plummeted during and immediately after his conference. Not to say they won't change, but right now far fewer people like him than like Hillary. 'The people' are not some amorphous mass. The majority of his support comes from blue collar white men - are they 'the people'? The person that will destroy Trump is Trump himself.

I have no problem whatsoever with genuinely anti-establishment figures. I have a problem with lying bigots.

Threesoundslikealot · 02/08/2016 23:31

Your link is from March. A long time ago in politics.

Threesoundslikealot · 02/08/2016 23:38

Read Stone here, a thoroughly objectionable being. What vile rhetoric.

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57a104c8e4b0e2e15eb7b3f0

claig · 02/08/2016 23:40

'but right now far fewer people like him than like Hillary.'

That is due to the relentless media coverage which is stacked against Trump and which gave liitle coverage to what Pat Smith, the mother of a son killed in Benghazi, said about Hillary at the Republican Conference. They are all against Trump but everybody knows that and the only polls that count are those in the swing battleground states (9 or 10), it doesn't matter what the majority of the country think which is why the media will lose. Trump uses social and alternative media, he snubbed and defied Fox, he is bigger than the stooges.

'The person that will destroy Trump is Trump himself. '

That is what the media says and what they said about him during the primaries, but he confounded them them and he will confound them on election day too.

There are likely to be lots more leaks and lots more shocking information to come out yet and Trump will go for the jugular, he is not a "career politician", not a stooge.

claig · 02/08/2016 23:45

'Your link is from March. A long time ago in politics.'

The fundamentals have not changed. Trump is branding Hillary as "Crooked" and continuing to be anti-establishment. Those are the things that will bring him victory.

Stone is not a nice guy, he is a 40 year experience Republican operative skilled in dirty tricks. Hillary has those on her side too. What it will come down to is who has the most nerve to go "all in" and tell the real truth. I think it will be Trump because he is a billionaire outsider and doesn't have to play an insider game and no one "owns" him which is why he can insult them all.

Kirsten Powers, a Democratic analyst, on Fox now saying the correct thing that Trump knows what he is doing and all the people saying he has blown it and has no strategy don't understand what he has done and will do.

Threesoundslikealot · 02/08/2016 23:50

Fox was the only network not to cover Pat Smith's speech. Fox criticised the lack of coverage but...

www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-did-live-fox-news-interview-opposite-benghazi-mothers-convention-speech/

Perhaps the lack of coverage is because Hillary didn't seek to criticise Ms Smith for her speech?

Trump is in fact underperforming against almost all polls do far. Underperforming.

I don't have any faith that he won't win but the media has, Farage-style, given him a disproportionate amount of coverage because he gets viewers. He's car crash television. Of all the things you can say, claiming that the media isn't giving him coverage is ludicrous in the extreme.

Threesoundslikealot · 02/08/2016 23:55

The 'real truth'? Trump is a pathological liar.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 02/08/2016 23:57

Claig

Why do you type like.. Your posts read like articles? I'm very confused. I don't mean to be rude.

Threesoundslikealot · 02/08/2016 23:59

Kristen Powers? Yes, she thinks Trump is a real man of the people. Hmm

www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2016/07/19/power-evangelical-white-conservative-republican-trump-column/87257760/

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:01

More support for our man of the people.

www.floridatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/07/06/kirsten-powers-no-sheriffs-star-mr-trump/86720490/

claig · 03/08/2016 00:03

'Perhaps the lack of coverage is because Hillary didn't seek to criticise Ms Smith for her speech?
'
Hillary is subtle about it but her message in interviews is that Pat Smith is mistaken in not having heard what Hillary really said due to her grief. Trump is more direct, but it is Hillary's indirectness that people don't trust about her.

'Trump is in fact underperforming against almost all polls do far. Underperforming. '

I think the polls are possibly rigged just like our polls on the eve of Brexit told us that Cameron and the team were 10 points ahead of Leave voters. Also the polls are generally nationwide, not statewide in the key states. Just as Corbyn will beat the 172 here, despite the media doing backflips to help the 172, I think it will be the people in the key battleground states in the Rust Belt that will get Trump over the line.

Trum is worried about rigging due to the reporst of the DNC plotting against Bernie etc and some voters being taken off the electoral roll etc, but as Trump says, he had to win a landslide in the Republican primaries to stop the Republican stooges stealing it from him then, and he will have to aim for a landslide now too.

'the media has, Farage-style, given him a disproportionate amount of coverage because he gets viewers'

Yes, but they mainly try to knock him, but Trump is not scared of interviews or the media, unlike Hillary who avoids Fox and hasn't givern a press conference where she can be openly questioned for more than 200 days. Trump has nothing to hide, what you see is what you get.

'He's car crash television. Of all the things you can say, claiming that the media isn't giving him coverage is ludicrous in the extreme.'

Yes they are giving him coverage, car crash coverage. What is frightening the world's elite though is that it is not harming Trump, but helping him. As Tony Blair said "I don't understand what is happening in the world". They can't understand Corbyn, they can't understand Brexit and they can't understand ,and fear, Trump.

claig · 03/08/2016 00:05

'Your posts read like articles?'

Probably because I have read so many articles.

claig · 03/08/2016 00:07

'The 'real truth'? Trump is a pathological liar.'

He is really a bullshitter rather than a liar. there is a very good article on that. But when it comes to the hidden big, huge, shocking truths, Trump will be revealing them in the debates or on the stump quite soon, I think. No one else would dare, no stooge would be allowed.

Lweji · 03/08/2016 00:15

But when it comes to the hidden big, huge, shocking truths, Trump will be revealing them in the debates or on the stump quite soon, I think. No one else would dare, no stooge would be allowed.

He's certainly been threatening for months now. Will he still use that thread in November 8th? Will he actually reveal anything?

Are those shocking truths like exposing China's currency manipulation?

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:20

Trump is behind in the polls in pretty much every swing state bar North Carolina. Take a look.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=mobilebar&v=1#plus

The U.K. polls are less sophisticated. And although they got Brexit wrong, they were within a margin of error. Ten points is simply untrue bar one outlier.

People that think they might lose start bleating about a fix in advance. The voters lost to the electoral roll are unlikely to be Trump voters. Hopefully state by state we might see these unjust voting 'reforms' unpicked. It has already started.

Good on Hillary if she is avoiding Fox. Fox is not a news channel. It deserves no respect. It peddles lies and hate.

Trump has an enormous amount to hide. Where are his tax returns?

claig · 03/08/2016 00:22

'Will he actually reveal anything?

Are those shocking truths like exposing China's currency manipulation?'

I think he will reveal them, if he really wants to win the election. It is not Chinese currency manipulation. More likely to be to do with Bill, the Clinton Foundation, Syria, Libya, Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi Arabia etc etc, but we will have to wait and see.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:26

Trump the liar.

www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:28

No idea what the difference between a bullshitter and a liar is. But I'm won over! Trump sounds like a stand up guy. Count me in.

Lweji · 03/08/2016 00:29

we will have to wait and see.

Do you really think you'll see something from Mr Liar Liar Pants on Fire?

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:30

Tsk. Just Mr Bullshitter, Lweji. The People's Bullshitter.

AnnieOnnieMouse · 03/08/2016 00:30

This is what may well happen

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