What happens if Trump wins?

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I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

'Claig, and I'm trying to be patient here'

Why change your usual approach?

'You cannot dispute that or claim otherwise.'

I am not disputing it. I am saying I don't believe the polls just as I didn't believe the polls the team told us about Brexit.

I don't know what will happen, but my guess is that Trump will win on the day and that the polls will have inaccurately reflected the will of the American people, but we will have to wait and see and I may be wrong on that.

Yes, the rich, the powerful, the famous, the influential, Wall Street, the elite and the Establishment back Hillary.

So why are we supposed to get excited because one rapper and that idiot Eastwood support Trump?

I'm glad you acknowledge that accurate polls on Brexit got it right, claig. Because the accurate polls on the US election aren't going your way.

That famous figures like Azealia Banks, Loretta Lynn, Kirstie Alley and Clint Eastwood back Trump and don't believe he is like Hitler as the media tries to portray him.

There were people even during the war that didn't believe Hitler was like Hitler. Some people don't believe now. Some people are prepared to say the Holocaust didn't happen. That shows nothing. Particularly if all you have to show is four "famous" people.

You then have a wide range of actually famous and intelligent people with experience of politics and economy that he is a danger. Not to their position, but for the people. And quite frankly, that's what it seems to me, regardless of what the media says. (except for the part where he needs to get Congress to do his bidding).

Kirstie Alley is a scientologist and Clint Eastwood thinks people should “just f*cking get over” racially sensitive remarks made by Trump. Hooray, ain't progress great!

Lweji, I think you are out of touch with what is really going on. Lots of big political figures and business people and military do support Trump, as well as lots of ordinary people, which is why Trump thrashed all of the Establishment Republicaan candidates.

Michael Moore describes the echo chamber in his article where he says that Trump will win.

"I can see what you’re doing right now. You’re shaking your head wildly – “No, Mike, this won’t happen!” Unfortunately, you are living in a bubble that comes with an adjoining echo chamber where you and your friends are convinced the American people are not going to elect an idiot for president."

The problem with Moore's article is that nowhere does he actually acknowledge what the figures are telling us. For example, he thinks Trump is focussing his claim in “the rust belt”, but even there he simply isn't polling anything like the numbers he needs. Most relevantly, he isn't cutting it in any minority group or in any significant swing state. It is frankly staggering that he is only polling 1% of the black vote. If Moore's analysis went the other way, the US right wing would be treating it exactly the same as they treat the rest of what he says - I wonder why they have suddenly decided that he's 100% accurate in this one article?

That should be campaign, not claim.

I don't think I'm the one out of touch.
Moore's article was written during a glitch and it was a call to Democrats and anti-Trump not to think that it will be an easy victory for Clinton.
People WILL have to vote.

'The problem with Moore's article is that nowhere does he actually acknowledge what the figures are telling us.'

Good point, Judy. Maybe Moore doesn't trust the polls too much, I don't know.

Actually, Lweji's right, that article was in June at the only point when Trump was doing better in the polls. I suspect he would say different now, but if it has prompted more people to make sure they vote against Trump, that's all to the good.

The article had been discussed ealier on.

Yes, the article was written at the only point so far at which Trump was ahead in the polls, including in the four swing states he mentions. Clinton is now ahead in all four, with a double digits lead in two.

Azealia Banks had her Twitter account suspended for racist tweets. I mean, if we're going to start bandying about celebrity names, let's fill in the background.

I suffer from horrific insomnia, I swear I'm not a Putin troll

I'd be doing a pretty awful job if I was

I'm not great at following polls, but from what I can understand it's indisputable Hillary is preferred.

More importantly who do gamer Youtubers endorse?

- a pink sheep - the one with the greatest moves.

'How Russia Dominates Your Twitter Feed to Promote Lies (And, Trump, Too)'

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/06/how-russia-dominates-your-twitter-feed-to-promote-lies-and-trump-too.html?via=mobile&source=twitter

We're watching you SpecialAgent

That's very interesting SwedishEdith.

Now, after the fake transcript tweet that was doing the rounds on Saturday morning, I'm wondering what Putin could possibly have against Christopher Biggins

shifty eyes

Enforced Merry Christmas now (from the New York Times):

"Trump then complained that big department stores do not say “merry Christmas” during the holidays.

“When they don’t want to say ‘merry Christmas’ in department stores anymore. I won’t shop at places that don’t say ‘merry Christmas.’ Guess what? I don’t too much shopping,” he said to applause. “No, no, it’s true. When I see these stores, and they have a red wall and they have nothing on it. They don’t want to say ‘merry Christmas’ anymore. I say, ‘Why don’t you say merry Christmas?'”

Trump vowed to change the department-store situation when it comes to wishing people “merry Christmas.”

“I’ll tell you one thing: I get elected president, we’re going to be saying ‘merry Christmas’ again. Just remember that,” he said. “And by the way, Christianity will have power, without having to form.”

Well, thank goodness he plans to devote Presidential and Congressional time to this massively important issue. This is the sort of batshittery you normally expect to come out of the likes of the BNP over here. What on earth are the Republicans thinking?

To be fair, Judy, the GOP alternative was lacklustre or somewhat worse.
It's definitely a GOP problem and they should have the courage to move from tea party politics.
But politics and society move in cycles. It's kind of natural to see some backlash from having a black president, more social protection and more gay/etc rights, coupled with the economy having been in recovery from a serious blow, so much that many haven't yet felt the effects of recovery. Plus the historical conservationism of middle America, political and religious, and, yes, educational limitations.
Someone like Trump, but also Cruz.
The question is if the whole society can change, or if polarisation will get worse.

I think the demographics are changing in a way that makes this likely to be the last 10/20 years (at most) of the very reactionary politics. The ongoing challenge (in both the US and UK) is to deal with the disengaged, who are protest voting.

How can Trump make thousands of individual people say Merry Christmas if they don't want to?

He sounds more and more like a totalitarian every time he opens his mouth. It's like he just says 'this is the way 6I^ think the entire world she be - And if i become president, I'll do everything in my power to force my exact and very precise ideas on absolutely everyone'

I don't know why, but out of all the cruel things he's said, this bothers me the most. I think it's because it's so... well, totalitarian! He's not even trying to hide that anymore.

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When the economy is doing well people tend to be happy with the status quo.
Maybe GOP needs to stop being a blockage force and actually do and support constructive measures that support the most vulnerable. Perhaps both parties need to be seen to be stricter on big finance companies that have been screwing up the economy in the last decade.
Perhaps people need to feel that they voice is heard and their opinion matters.
But much of the protest vote, as analysts note, seems to be by white males who've been losing white male privilege. Not sure I'd want to pander to that group. :) Although, perhaps there could be campaigns to show that equality works better for society as a whole and that white males also benefit from it.
And from the less educated, who end up being the most vulnerable to economic pressure. Perhaps a case here to restructure education in the US and support the most vulnerable populations.

I think there's a strong argument that globalisation is hitting those who have historically worked in manufacturing and production hard, and that's undeniable. So addressing the consequences, whether through education or regeneration or both, has to be done. It's been ignored too much.

It's not just about jobs. It's about a sense of purpose in life. Ironically the same drivers that are causing young men in the Middle East and Africa to join terrorist groups.

Yes, it's a common and widespread effect. We see it in Europe too.

Interestingly, not so much in Portugal where I live, although the swing seems to be mostly towards a more radical left than right.