What happens if Trump wins?

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I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

'Surely the point of being anti-establishment is objecting to the lack of transparency in the elitist decision making?'

No, anti-establishment is opposing establishment policy, not the transparency of the policy. Trump opposes them.

'How is Trump NOT an elite? '

Because he exposes Establishment policy. Neing rich has nothing to do with being elite and influencing policy.

'It's him pretending to be something he's not that annoys me. '

If he was pretending, then Davos wouldn't be terrified of him.

'Yes but who? Do you have any names? I don't agree with you but I want to learn more about this.'

Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Mike Pence, Jeb Bush, John Kasich are Establishment. They back the most important establishment policies, Trump opposes those policies.

'So, how do you believe a person whose words can't be trusted?'

Do you trust what Hillary says on TPP or Benghazi or her emails? You have to decide which is the least worst option.

'Don't you feel like cognitive dissonance?'

No, because Trump is going to end globalism and end the control of the globalists and restore common sense, so any minor things he does are of little consequence compared to that.

Ah, so Trump for you is the least worst option?

Why?

Based on her record, I do think Hillary has at least the willingness to address social issues and protect the weakest.
Based on his record, I do think Trump doesn't at all. He's been praying on the gullible to make money (see Trump University and other cases). He consistently says one thing and does another. The things he denounces, he's doing them himself. All the time.
From his record, can you see Trump acknowledge any responsibility over a similar even to Benghazi?

The least worst option?? Hillary!

If Trump doesn't believe what he says when he peddles racism and hate, why say it? It's all very well for you to feel free to ignore it, but it's less easy to do so when you're a minority whose rights are being attacked in public discourse, and when you're trying to cope in a society where hate speech is being legitimised because a main stream presidential candidate is drawing crowds of thousands to rallies. A society where a KKK leader feels supported enough to stand for Senate, for the first time in decades. When Trump is surrounded by supporters who mean Every. Single. Word. Easy to disbelieve that Trump doesn't really want to undermine the fundamental rights of women but is happy to pretend to.

Doesn't any of this distress or concern you? How can it not? How can you even begin to suggest that Trump and Clinton compare in levels of honesty, probity and decency?

This thread is like an itch you can't scratch.

Claig - can we have a copy of your dictionary? You seem to have a glossary of terms that contradict the conventional meanings

The amount of people who agree with his bullshitting/lies/what he actually believes/etc is really, really disturbing. I'm not foolish, I know there's still a long way to go for women and minorities, but I thought we were better than this. Makes me sad to see the FB comments, so excited for Trump because he will get rid of/punish [insert minority/women here] is just.. Well, fucked.

'Ah, so Trump for you is the least worst option?'

Yes, Trump is not perfect, he makes mistakes and may not do some of the things he says.

'Why?'

Because Trump is for common sense, just as Hillary and Cameron were for Remain, whereas Trump and the majority of the people were for Brexit.

'Based on her record, I do think Hillary has at least the willingness to address social issues and protect the weakest. '

Hillary has had to change her position on TPP under the Bernie and Trump onslaught, but Hillary and the Establishment have long backed the free trade deals that have destroyed jobs and Bill Clinton signed NAFTA. Trump is ending it and bring jobs back s that the 58% of African-American youth who are currently out of work, can find jobs and hope again.

Trump is ending it and bring jobs back s that the 58% of African-American youth who are currently out of work, can find jobs and hope again.

How? And why do you believe him on this?

Trump is ending it and bring jobs back s that the 58% of African-American youth who are currently out of work, can find jobs and hope again.

What Trump says, and what Trump has the first clue about how to actually do, are two quite separate things.

The average Trump supporter doesn't seem to realise this, which of course works massively in his favour.

He fully admits anything he says should just be taken as a 'suggestion'.

Anti-intellectualism (as with Brexit) indeed...

'If Trump doesn't believe what he says when he peddles racism and hate, why say it?'

He doesn't, that is the media pushing that line.

'It's all very well for you to feel free to ignore it, but it's less easy to do so when you're a minority whose rights are being attacked in public discourse'

Diamond and Silk are minorities who used to be registered Democrats and "ditched and switched" simply to vote for Trump and no other Republican puppet. They are his biggest fans. If you want to hear it how it is, go to their youtube channel and listen to the real deal.

'Doesn't any of this distress or concern you? How can it not? How can you even begin to suggest that Trump and Clinton compare in levels of honesty, probity and decency?'

You have fallen for the medi induced Guardianista bubble that everyone who votes for Trump is an evil racist. Nearly 50% of Americans are likely to vote for Trump. Diamond and Silk are not racist, they just want Trump to restore common sense.

As the Telegraph article so rightly said

"Donald Trump is giving the over-educated geeks who run the world a sharp lesson in reality"

and they don't like it.

'And why do you believe him on this?'

Because what alternative is there but to believe him? Under Hillary, Establishment globalist policies will continue as will wars which is why many Democrat delegates were chanting "no more wars" in the Democratic Conference and is why 20% of Bernie supporters say they will vote for Trump, and lots of Bernie supporters say they will not vote for Hillary.

Claig, he says it. He says these things. His team say these things.

Two African-American individuals support him vocally. He has virtually no support from black voters. The day to day experience of the poor African-American community he claims to be planning to help is materially worse because of his campaign.

His polling across the board is abysmal right now - way under 40%. He is even losing white men.

How can you be over -educated?

I heard that the Bernie supporters who are voting for Trump aren't doing it because they think he's any good; they're doing it to spite Hillary because they hate her.

Little OT, but I saw a loooot of misogyny when it was Bernie vs Hillary. I think a lot of it was subconscious though/

And there aren't any Republicans ditching Trump...?

'I heard that the Bernie supporters who are voting for Trump aren't doing it because they think he's any good; they're doing it to spite Hillary because they hate her. '

Some are doing it for that, but what the Democrats fear is that many of the blue-collar working class Bernie supporters will vote for Trump because they agree with him on trade and jobs.

Susan Sarandon said that Trump is better than Hillary because Trump will bring on a revolution (against him). So there are all sorts of reasons that people are not voting Hillary.

And there are all sorts of reasons people (including Reoublicans) are not voting Trump.

Luckily, he seems to add to these every time he opens his cake hole.

TheDowagerCuntess,, that letter against Trump is from "The Harvard Republican Club". That is a bit like quoting from the Oxbridge Establishment insiders club. They are mainly all against Trump because they are Establishment.

Lots of Republican politicians and RINOs will bail out and back Hillary instead of Trump because they are Establishment.

Great!

Sarandon is voting Klein, not Trump.

Well, it's down up nicely isn't it? Voters who reject Hillary are doing so because she's a dreadful candidate. Voters who reject Trump are just the Establishment or hoodwinked by it.

Lots of misogynism across the board, including in the Bernie campaign sadly.

'Sarandon is voting Klein, not Trump.'

Yes, she won't vote for Hillary and she said Trump is better than Hillary because then there will be a revolution against him.

Susan Sarandon: ‘LOL that I would ever vote Trump’

Saying that Trump would bring revolution is hardly a compliment towards him. It expresses how lots of people would be extremely dissatisfied.

Yes, she endorsed Trump.

Anyway, latest poll of Bernie Supporters show 91% of them favouring Hillary over Trump. Only 3% of them plan to vote Trump.

There are plenty of working Americans - Union members even (i.e. the antithesis of the 'establishment') - who understandably don't trust Trump one iota. Admittedly, the ones with a couple of brain cells to rub together.

It's not just the liberal elite / establishment who want nothing to do with him.

She didn't say Trump was better.

“Really,” Sarandon said, adding that “some people feel that Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately if he gets in, things will really explode.”

Has a president ever been impeached before? I'm kinda hoping at least one has, because then there is a precedent to impeach Trump.

I secretly hope he's just playing the business genius and appealing to the lowest common denominator so he can get votes, and actually has zero intention of doing anything he claims.

A girl can dream...