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What happens if Trump wins?

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Soapalert · 31/07/2016 07:28

I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

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claig · 05/08/2016 14:49

This is what the Trump phenomenon is all about and that is why the media and Establishment have nothing to stop him apart from yelling racist at him, but they will lose because as with Brexit, the people are in anti-establishment mood and don't fall for the lies of the teams any more.

"In ‘Brexit’ and Trump, a Populist Farewell to Laissez-Faire Capitalism

Donald J. Trump and Boris Johnson: Is this how the era ushered in by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher finally ends?

It once looked as though the financial crisis of 2008 might even bring about the end of laissez-faire economics. “The idea of an all-powerful market which is always right is finished,” declared Nicolas Sarkozy, then the president of France. And Peer Steinbrück, Germany’s finance minister at the time, predicted that “the U.S. will lose its status as the superpower of the world financial system.”

Even Alan Greenspan, the former Fed chairman, once known as the “maestro” of capitalism, declared himself “in a state of shocked disbelief” at the collapse wrought by the unfettered markets he had championed throughout his life. “I’ve found a flaw,” he said. “I’ve been very distressed by that fact.”

But I suspect few would have guessed that the economic order built on Reagan’s and Thatcher’s common faith in unfettered global markets (and largely accepted by their more liberal successors Bill Clinton and Tony Blair) would be brought down by right-wing populists riding the anger of a working class that has been cast aside in the globalized economy that the two leaders trumpeted 40 years ago."

www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/business/economy/the-anger-wave-that-may-just-wipe-out-laissez-faire-economics.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

And that is why even some Bernie voters prefer Trump to Hillary, because we are witnessing the end of the Establishment's globalist laissez-faire capitalism and returning to common sense for the benefit of the people.

Lweji · 05/08/2016 14:51

"Presidents Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives, but acquitted by the Senate. Richard Nixon resigned before he could be impeached."

Threesoundslikealot · 05/08/2016 14:52

Trump 'already a danger to national security'.

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57a485afe4b03ba68011fd6c

claig · 05/08/2016 14:54

'She didn't say Trump was better.'

Sorry, I misremembered, she said Hillary was "more dangerous" than Trump.

"Susan Sarandon: Hillary Clinton “more dangerous” than Donald Trump"

www.salon.com/2016/06/03/susan_sarandon_hillary_clinton_more_dangerous_than_donald_trump/

Threesoundslikealot · 05/08/2016 14:56

Susan Sarandon is of course an actress, so may not be an expert arbiter on US foreign policy. If we're going to start quoting entertainers, we can all have lots of fun.

TheDowagerCuntess · 05/08/2016 14:56

There is nothing 'common sense' about Trump. Confused He doesn't know how to do anything he says he will do. But as I said upthread, this doesn't matter to his supporters.

And he tells as many lies - if not more - as the next nominee/candidate. Everything he says is a lie suggestion. He's admitted as much himself.

But again, his supporters don't care, so it doesn't matter.

Sarandon is not a Trump supporter - she says so in that link, so what does it matter?

claig · 05/08/2016 14:58

'If we're going to start quoting entertainers, we can all have lots of fun.'

Please don't mention Eddie Izzard. He was partially responsible for sinking Cameron's chances in the Referendum.

Lweji · 05/08/2016 14:59

"“I believe in a way she is more dangerous,” Sarandon suggested without mentioning Trump’s name, after Chariton asked her why Clinton’s foreign policy went largely unchallenged during the Democratic primary."

Not that Susan is a political expert or guru. She just gets the news inches for her views. Like Trump.

TheDowagerCuntess · 05/08/2016 15:05

The thing both Brexit and Trump have in common is that they're being won (Trump hasn't won; I mean in terms of winning supporters) on the basis of saying whatever the hell you want, but with absolutely no 'how' to back it up ... and then jumping ship when they win, and have to actually deliver.

And the anti-intellectuals / hard of thinking lap it up.

Who knew it was so easy? Why politicians haven't been doing this for years is quite a surprise.

SalemsLott · 05/08/2016 15:07

Michael Moore and his Trump will win theory:
michaelmoore.com > trumpwillwin

SalemsLott · 05/08/2016 15:08

Well that was an epic fail Hmm

TheDowagerCuntess · 05/08/2016 15:09

That's a call to arms from MM - I hope it works.

TheDowagerCuntess · 05/08/2016 15:11

Trump will win

Except he won't Grin

SwedishEdith · 05/08/2016 15:11

Please don't mention Eddie Izzard. He was partially responsible for sinking Cameron's chances in the Referendum.

I actually agree with claig Shock. His appearance on Question Time was one of the car crash moments of the campaign.

Threesoundslikealot · 05/08/2016 15:11

I posted the link above!

The positives are that he wrote it a couple of weeks ago. Right now the polls in those four swing states are all looking very good for Hillary. Trump is not doing brilliantly at expanding his support to the point he needs. It could all change of course.

claig · 05/08/2016 15:12

Interesting, SalemsLott. Michael Moore does not live in this media BBC Guardian bubble and understands the mood of the people.

"Friends:

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November.
...
I can see what you’re doing right now. You’re shaking your head wildly – “No, Mike, this won’t happen!” Unfortunately, you are living in a bubble that comes with an adjoining echo chamber where you and your friends are convinced the American people are not going to elect an idiot for president.
...
Well, folks, this isn’t an accident. It is happening. And if you believe Hillary Clinton is going to beat Trump with facts and smarts and logic, then you obviously missed the past year of 56 primaries and caucuses where 16 Republican candidates tried that and every kitchen sink they could throw at Trump and nothing could stop his juggernaut.

michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

Lweji · 05/08/2016 15:14

Trump is not doing brilliantly at expanding his support to the point he needs.
Quite the opposite. Some commentators have argued he'd have done better to turn off his phone and go to the moon or something. (Maybe the next project for NASA)

claig · 05/08/2016 15:15

Yes, SwedishEdith, Eddie Izzard was car crash which shows how far the people have come and how much they have changed. The old tricks of the teams and Labour and the luvvies and Sir Bob Gumdrop etc no longer work. As we have seen with Corbyn, the Establishment are completely powerless to convince the people any more.

Lweji · 05/08/2016 15:15

Yes, claig, we can read the article, thanks. It's been linked twice already.

SalemsLott · 05/08/2016 15:18

Thanks for the links Claig and Dowagess that I failed to deliver Wine

Threesoundslikealot · 05/08/2016 15:20

Indeed, Lweji. That was something of an understatement on my part!

Trump went to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, for example, and this happened.

www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-harrisburg-war-zone-226591

TheDowagerCuntess · 05/08/2016 15:23

Michael Moore is quite clearly poking Democrats and Cruz supporters out of their complacent bubble - to ensure they get out and vote in November!

TheDowagerCuntess · 05/08/2016 15:26

Because that's what will win this for Trump. Not that the majority actually want him. But that his supporters are more likely to go out and vote.

Same with Brexit.

SwedishEdith · 05/08/2016 15:27

But Leave had Buck's Fizz.

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