Well done Labour NEC - Corbyn can stand

[claig]

They have voted 18-14 to allow Corbyn to stand in the leadership election.

One less stitch-up in a season os stitch-ups.

Go Corbyn!

[AndNowItsSeven]

"Go Corbyn" I can't decide if you are 12 op or a Tory supporter. You do realise with Corbyn as leader Labour will never be in power.

[claig]

'You do realise with Corbyn as leader Labour will never be in power.'

You are wring. Labour will never back into power with Hillary Benn, Angela Eagle and that shower. The public mood has changed substantially. The public can't take any more spin and no straight answers. They no longer trust the political class which is why the reelled in Brexit against Cameron, the IMF, the bankers, the Labour Party, the SNP stooges and all the rest of the self-serving elites and media spinners.

The public now want an ethical politics that deals with the people's concerns, not the bankers' concerns. That is why Corbyn won a landslide in the Labour leadership election and stunned all the Oxbridge teams when Corbyn started as a 100-1 outsider. The only hope for Labour is for Corbyn to start getting tough with the stooges and to take control of the party in order to present a unified vision to the public in the face of media tricks that try to stop him.

The public have had enough of the spinners and the Establishment cronies and stooges. That is why Corbyn is so popular among the people and so despised among MPs and the media.

Here is Channel 4's Jon Snow

"The Corbyn factor: shocking the political system through sheer normality

90 per cent of Labour MPs did not vote for him, but 59.5 per cent of Labour’s 422,664 voters did. The disconnect between Westminster and British politics writ large.
...
I have blogged before about the alienation and disillusion that so many feel from the whole Westminster circus. Corbyn’s record is the antithesis of honours, expenses fiddling, war and austerity. It is those issues that have driven so many to the Corbyn cause. Yvette, Liz, and Andy just could not distance themselves enough from the Blairite past and the Westminster present."

blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/jeremy-corbyn-shocking-political-system-sheer-normality/25745

The Establishment are in pieces, Oxbridge is on overtime, spinners are being sacked; none of them can understand the Corbyn phenomenon, or Farage or Brexit. The world has changed and they have been left behind. The people are in the midst of a popular revolution and the media can't stop it no matter what tricks their best and brightest try.

[LazyCake]

AndNowItsSeven, how can you say with such confidence that, with Corbyn as leader, Labour will never win power? Almost nobody thought he would win the leadership election, yet he did. At the outset, nobody believed the referendum would result in Brexit, yet here we are. Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump, etc. - all kinds of changes are afoot.

What appears certain is that, if Labour doesn't drastically change, then it is finished. With rip-off Tory policies, it hasn't won an election in over a decade. In 2015, it was wiped out in Scotland and the southwest, as well as massively losing ground in South Wales and its English heartlands. I am reminded of that Einstein quote about insanity being keeping on doing the same thing and expecting a different result....

[AndNowItsSeven]

He won because half the story party voted for him!

[AndNowItsSeven]

• Tory although they do tell a good story.

[claig]

'He won because half the Tory party voted for him!'

No, the Blairites did not vote for Corbyn.

And Cameron wants Corbyn to step down, he says "for God sake, man, go". The Tories want a chum from Labour they can deal with, someone who understands the system's wishes and will carry them out. Corbyn is the last person they want in charge because he just won't go along with the phoney scams and spin.

[AndNowItsSeven]

If Corbyn wins a general election I will throw a street party. I would love him to be PM but it's delusional to think he ever will be.

[claig]

'Three-quarters of newspaper stories about Jeremy Corbyn fail to accurately report his views, LSE study finds'

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-attacks-75-per-cent-three-quarters-fail-to-accurately-report-a7140681.html

It doesn't matter what the chums try, nothing works for them, the public still aren't fooled by it.

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

Almost nobody thought he would win the leadership election

Huge difference between membership and Labour voters.

Also need to gain swing voters and those voting UKIP and Tory to have even a chance of winning.

[claig]

'I would love him to be PM but it's delusional to think he ever will be.'

We were told the same about Brexit. they said we could never beat Cameron, the bankers, the IMF, the SNP stooges, the unions and all the rest, and yet the street parties happened and Labour MP Keith Vaz was practically in tears (not tears of joy, unlike the Brexiteers) saying he never believed the British people would do it.

The reason there is a such a hostile media spin campaign against Corbyn is that the Establishment is terrified of him because they think he might win and if he does, he won't do what they tell him. It's a new politics, a grassroots politics, a people's politics and the stooges are left high and stranded. They wanted to keep him off the ballot, they said that "rules is rules".

[claig]

'Huge difference between membership and Labour voters.'

Labour have a membership of about 500,000, many of them young, enthusiastic idealistic people. The Tories have 150,000 mainly over 60s. Labour is the future, but it won't be with the Hilary Benns, the Chukas, the Angela Eagles etc. They are the past, the same old faces, the same old spin.

''The plotters should be ashamed': Labour voters on why Corbyn should stay – or go'

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/the-plotters-should-be-ashamed-labour-voters-on-why-corbyn-should-stay-or-go

My guess is that ordinary Labour voters on the door have as low a regard for Hilary Benn and the 172 as non-Labour voters. If non-Labour voters think Corbyn is a breath of fresh air, what must Labour voters think who have been yearning for the end of spin and Tory-lite austerity and war supporting votes etc.?

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

They are the past, the same old faces, the same old spin.

Lisa Nandy, Lou Haig, Jess Phillips' Karl Turner etc all to the left of the party. All resigned.

Too simplistic and dismissive to just call everyone who doesn't want Corbyn a 'Blairite'.

He isn't a 'leader'.

[claig]

The media roll Stephen Kinnock out on TV to lecture the Corbynites. They are delusional if they think anyone cares what these Oxbridge teams think. The people have gone way past the Blair spin, the lectures from former Labour PM, Gordon Bennett, the admonishments from Lord Kinnock, Stephen's father, or Margaret Hodge calling the kind, avuncular, allotment tender, Corbyn, "a devious man".

No one saw Brexit coming, no one saw Trump and Sanders coming and no one saw Corbyn coming. But Corbyn is here and he is giving them all a run for their money and it is a real breath of fresh air and offers hope that politics might actually change and work for the people for once.

[OyWithThePoodles]

By Tories voting for him Seven, do you mean the £3 supporters ... Cos he won in all categories, it was a landslide across the board. You make some good points OP and you've cheered me up. Am frankly furious we're having to go through this again. I didn't intend to vote for Corbyn last time, but I went to hustings and he convinced me. When all this coup nonsense kicked off I thought ok, put up a candidate I can believe in ... But no. No. I'm gonna have to vote for Jez again - Eagle and Smith? No. Their previous statements and voting records are a disgrace and I don't believe for a second that either of them could win a GE.

Been in and out of the Party for 30 years but if we lose Jeremy as leader I think I'm off for good. The scale of the disrespect for the membership is now too much to tolerate.

Sorry about the vent. Feel better now though

[roarfeckingroar]

Corbyn could never win a general election. As a Tory I welcome his success

[claig]

Jess Phillips is an Establishment favourite, never off the BBC.

The only one with real courage and character is the formidable Emily Thornberry who has stood by Corbyn in an honourable fashion.

The party members prefer Corbyn to all of the 172 combined. The Labour Party is a party of its members, not of 172 Oxbridge, privately educated middle class spinners and SPADs, many of whom have never had a real job outside of politics.

'He isn't a 'leader'.'

The people are sick of "leaders", sick of "experts" that follow the Establishment line. They want someone normal, some authentic, someone real, someone of the people.

"The Corbyn factor: shocking the political system through sheer normality

//blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/jeremy-corbyn-shocking-political-system-sheer-normality/25745

The public ignored the "leaders", they ignored Osborne and he is no longer lecturing them from the front bench, they voted against all their advice and scares and voted for Brexit.

No one looks up to these Oxbridge spinners any more, no one believes a word Blair says, they don't follow a "leader", they respect Corbyn.

[AndNowItsSeven]

I meant the £3 voters who voted him in as leader initially yes.

[LazyCake]

I think OyWithThePoodles was pointing out that, even if the £3 registered supporters had been excluded from the 2015 election, Corbyn still would have won, on the basis of votes from established members.

[lljkk]

I thought there was careful analysis that showed that Corbyn had massive support even among the members who paid full whack (£60 like I did). Corbyn would have won without the £3 members (or am I wrong?).

[flowersandsunshine]

Agree absolutely oldbirdy - I don't think Corbyn can claim any moral high ground at all and I find it bizarre his supporters try to.

The idea that pacifism is of itself morally superior is nonsense - we all have a moral duty to support the weak when they are being attacked and deciding to leave them to deal with being massacred on their own is an abdication of our responsibility. And the hatred he spews about Israel is really vile. He is not remotely a nice man.

[flowersandsunshine]

lljkk - I think Corbyn got a very narrow majority of members at the last leadership election but I know many who voted for him then who wouldn't now. People were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt because those he stood against were all same old, same old. But he is far worse than even those tired old politicians.

[Redactio]

I voted for him because I'm a Tory.
I got my vote because I'm a member of UNITE.
Not all trade unionists are socialists.

[LazyCake]

The idea that pacifism is of itself morally superior is nonsense. Agreed.

we all have a moral duty to support the weak when they are being attacked. Yes, but when that support involves dropping bombs on men, women and children, and is done in flagrant disregard for international law, it is simply brutal vigilantism.

And what hatred does Corbyn spew about Israel? Israel has long been acting in contravention of international law, and deserves to be condemned in the strongest terms possible. There are many pressure groups and campaigners within Israel itself who would agree with this.

[flowersandsunshine]

LazyCake - StopTheWar - which he led for a long time - is in favour (despite its name) of murdering "men, women and children" "in flagrant disregard for international law" ie "simply brutal vigilanti sm" - when those men, women and children live in Israel.

[oldbirdy]

lazycake we were talking about Corbyn in Kosovo where there is now acknowledged to have been genocide esp against Muslims and Corbyn voted against that - and his sidling up with the IRA, who IIRC had a good line in using bombs against inncoent men, women and children as well.

I don't buy that simply because he made a good call on Iraq, he is therefore morally unblemished.