Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

[Myturnnow4]

I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

I agree that a split is on the cards especially if Jeremy Corbyn wins. I wonder what would happen if the MP's had a vote of no cofidence in the leader. And the majority won. What a mess. You couldn't make it up. A gift for the Tories. Why can't Labour see this.

Labour can't see their arse from their arm at the moment. They're barring voters willy nilly from supporting the party, whether Blairites or Corbynite they ain't got a clue. They might as well shoot their toes off.

I wouldn't worry about MP's voting for any vote of no confidence. The only good thing about these malleable career-politician faux-labour misguided Blairites is that they will do what they think is popular.

Corbyn is popular. He has whole flock of carreer Tell-us-what-to-think politicians to back him.

They would need 20% of the PLP to support a named contender prior to the annual conference. And that would probably only be justified if Labour lost a series of local elections, devolved parliament elections or by-elections. A lot is happening next year in May but I think they will sit tight unless there is a definite pattern that shows the electorate support for Labour is even less than under Milliband.

I actually think he might stand down under those circumstances rather than be pushed, Tsipras style.

The results of a Corbyn led Labour party are already evident from the first opinion polls. Labour down to just 28% Conservatives 42% . This is in the 'honeymoon' period for St Jeremy, before people have analysed is policies and the economic effect on them personally .

This means in a General Election campaign , with a concerted press rampage warning of the dire consequences Labour would be lucky to poll 25%.

You can see the effect on seats this would have by posting on Electoral Caculus/UK Polling Report. Labour destroyed below '200' seats Conservatives on over 375 seats winning in 'Darlington' ...

The views on this site are so far wide of the general population , it is extraordinary . The only candidate of the four , who could possibly win any floating voters is Liz Kendal !

Opinion Polls this far ahead in time are widely known to be misrepresentative and innacurate, uneducated.
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'I actually think he might stand down under those circumstances rather than be pushed, Tsipras style.'

But Tsipras had to stand down because he wasn't left wing enough and the real left in Syriza would no longer support him. There is no danger of that happening in Labour as the Tory-lites aren't left wing.

Tsipras is costing Greece millions of pounds in referendums and elections, true, but I guess it's the principle of proving to his party and negotiators he has a democratic mandate and thus popular support. Maybe Corbyn will be like Varoufakis - whether he quit out of principle or was out of his depth, I don't know.

straggle, the Sun political editor has just said on Sky News Press Report
"the Corbyn effect is quite exraordinary and it is going to change British politics for years, mark my words".

You should celebrate that as a Labour Party supporter. Corbyn will change the whole country. This is huge, it is a peaceful revolution. There is no going back to the old Tory-lite Blairite ways, they are over, totally discredited. Blair is now the pantomime villain, elicting boos, hisses and hilarity in equal measure and if Labour doesn't change and embrace Corbyn, then they will go the same way as Blair.

'proving to his party and negotiators he has a democratic mandate and thus popular support'

He will need the support of the Greek Tories and the Greek Tory-lites, just as Blair needed them for Iraq, where Corbyn voted against them.

So we've had our first indication of how Corbyn would solve problems -

Problem - anti-social behaviour and harassment of women in trains

Corbyn Solution - female only carriages on trains

Sticking plaster on the wound.

If / when Corbyn is selected as Labour leader, the party will split. The Blairites will form a Social Democratic Party leaving the hard core Leftists with what's left of the Labour Party.

Yes Wet August, 100%.

And good thing this will be for the UK, And maybe even the world.

I think it's great that he's acknowledged the harassment women put up with on trains. He didn't say that female only cars are the answer, he said women can decide what they need and if they want single sex cars. He would consult women and let them decide, crikey we better halt this madness!

Just like when 'NO Smoking' was introduced on some train carriages, what happens if have a carriage full of worried women and you can a belligerent bottom wipe who INSISTS on his human rights, in this case to 'chat up' women with his shirt made of 'boyfriend material'?

"He will need the support of the Greek Tories and the Greek Tory-lites, just as Blair needed them for Iraq, where Corbyn voted against them."

Who were given a made up dodgy dossier, compiled by Blair's chief spin doctor, that stated WMD's were in Iraq and could be fired in the time it took to boil an egg, or something like that.

Corbyn often voted against his own party, he is anti NATO, no doubt like you pro Putin, and would toll out the red carpet should the Russians invade - a country needs a strong no nonsense leader who bares his chest riding on horses, eh, not a big woose who'd give up before the first shot was fired.

Who were given a made up dodgy dossier, compiled by Blair's chief spin doctor, that stated WMD's were in Iraq and could be fired in the time it took to boil an egg, or something like that.'

And they "believed" it.

Jon Snow on Corbyn and the people's insurgency.

"In short, alienation has come to rule beyond the confines of traditional power. Hence, I argue, the Ukip, the SNP and now the Corbyn insurgence."

blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/corbyns-run-alienation-rules/25695

"MP says passion she has seen amongst Corbyn supporters is unprecedented
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“In my years of campaigning and being involved in politics I have never seen anything like this. This level of energy and passion – it doesn’t happen. No matter what you think of him, people are responding to him – they are responding to what he stands for.”

Despite the seemingly unstoppable groundswell of support for the only anti-austerity candidate in the running to lead the party, senior Labour figures have been lining up in recent weeks to warn of the dangers of electing Mr Corbyn.

“Those attacking his supporters need to get the message that the politics of the 1990s and the 2000s are not want people want anymore,” added Ms Osamor. “People don’t trust politicians any more – they want people who look and sound like them to represent them. I found that out first hand when I campaigned in Edmonton.”

www.barnet-today.co.uk/article.cfm?id=7310&headline=MP%20says%20passion%20she%20has%20seen%20amongst%20Corbyn%20supporters%20is%20unprecedented

This is almost like Faragemania.

I think, sadly, Corbyn has a steep learning curve - he's never had a cabinet position or shadow cabinet - he's only been a back bencher since '83, and hasn't had a high profile. Therefore he's just not used to having to be careful what he says - talking about an idea like woman only carridges is fine when you're a backbencher, but when you are talking about being a party leader, people notice what you are saying and it's picked apart v quickly, he's having to learn not to talk about ideas until they are a bit more firm.

Hardly. No one outside the Labour party & the fringe left seems enthused - much though I dislike him, Farage's trick was to attract disaffected Labour & Tory voters. Corbyn is only attracting disaffected Labourites.

oh and it's amusing that so many Corbyn supporters are so certain it'll be Corbyn vs Boris at the next election - if you asked most people (including Corbyn himself!) 6 months ago who'd be the next leader of the Labour party, I bet few would have suggesting him, rather than one of the other front leadership candidates or even the various people who didn't throw their hats in the ring.

I don't think we can assume the Tories will pick Boris unless it's very clear he could win.

Oh and let's not forget, Farage couldn't translate that popularity into seats. The next leader of the labour party doesn't need to increase their share of the votes in safe Labour seats, the next leader of the Labour party needs to win a large number of people who voted Tory at the last election.

But then I don't really think any of the candidates can do that, so why not Corbyn.

I didn't think it would be Boris for quite a while because he is not serious enough. But against Corbyn, Boris would be a good choice, because Corbyn is serious and the Tories will lose most of the serious arguments against him, so only Boris could sidestep their losses by avoiding serious debate.

'6 months ago who'd be the next leader of the Labour party, I bet few would have suggesting him, rather than one of the other front leadership candidates '

No one foresaw this, not even Corbyn himself. This is unrecedented in a major Establishment Party. No one foresaw the success of Farage and the anti-establishment feeeling of the people, but the Corbyn phenomenon is a revolution in that it tears up the entire 30 year post-Thatcher consensus and exposes the Labour elite as Tory-lites and it is all down to ordinary people, not Corbyn's talents or rhetorical skills - although his principled, unchanging positions in opposing Blair and the Blairites is a huge factor in his success.

Farage failed - lost his own seat and the party actually reduced the number of MPs.

It was a Pyrrhic failure. He will be back. He won 4 milion voters, a third of the total votes the Conservatives won. With a PR system, he would have had 81 seats

I don't think Corbyn will be elected leader.

I think he will be but it's anybody's guess. I thought the election would be cancelled in view of all this. They could declare it null and void I suppose.