Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

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I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

I haven't seen any of it because I am not on twitter. Is it just calling people Tory lite or worse than that?

No where near that I'm afraid.

If 'tory lite' was 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 then some of the stuff that is being spouted is 10+.

Although calling people Tory lite is pretty bad. There is only one thing worse anyone can be called - a Blairite.

'If 'tory lite' was 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 then some of the stuff that is being spouted is 10+.'

Got ya. They are being called "metropolitan elite".

Where is this stuff being said? On the Guardian comments page?

They are being called "metropolitan elite".

Nope.

In all seriousness it is all over twitter and a bit on facebook but mostly twitter. Some of it is even police worthy IMO.

It is sad that a fair contest has to descend to the level where contestants are insulted like that.

Andy Burnham is meant to be giving a speech tomorrow. It will be interesting to see what he has to say. He seems to be one of the better candidates. Anyone but that awful Yvette Cooper.

Yvette was weird on Newsnight, saying that economics didn't have to be about "boy's toys" - cars and trains - but could be about childcare. She had tears in her eyes as she said it. Bizarro.

I like Yvette Cooper. She could have been the first woman leader of the Labour Party 36 years after the Conservatives achieved that milestone (and could do again if Theresa May steps up - shame on the Labour Party if that happens). She got into to Oxford from a comprehensive school, had to overcome long-term illness in her twenties (ME), and has been a working mother in a particularly high stress position, at the height of the banking crisis when she was probably working through the night, so she understands my sort of life as a working mother (in a much less stressful job) a lot more than Jez would. She's spoken out against harassment of women on Twitter and is now the subject on similarly Neanderthal comments on CIF, Twitter, etc. attacking her as if she was an extension of Ed Balls which is disgusting Daily Mail territory for so-called enlightened lefties (though they may have been trolls). She comes across as tight-lipped but it's understandable that she's been guarded about her privacy while married to another high profile politician. I wanted to see her elected prime minister while Ed Balls could have worn colourful suits as stay-at-home First Man.

Actually, Thatcher was elected party leader in 1975, so that was 40 years. Jesus, that's shameful.

The way I see it is that Yvette is coming across as desperate and unconvincing, Burnham is trying to be everybody's mate and is insisting he has nothing to do with the Westminster elite, Liz Kendall is coming across well with a good sense of humour and a 'warm-heartd tough cookie' who is not a party robot, and Corbyn is a Gandhi-like figure who just floats above it all saying "we do not do personal abuse".

There are still 4 weeks to go. There is time for more people to get desperate (e.g.. Blair, Brown, Campbell and every former bigwig in the hierarchy) and for Corbyn to chill out even more than he is doing now.

I don't like how Yvette Cooper uses the 'I'm a woman" card when it suits her (ie time to choose a woman, or something like that). Interestingly Thatcher never made a point out of being a woman or asked for special sympathy.

To me she comes across as weak. No leadership material. And that's not because she is a woman.

Also don't like her personal attacks.

I hope JC stays out of all the mud slinging.

As to everyone who says JC will split the party...no, it's the Blairites who would split the party if their democratically elected leader does not suit them!

I agree, BabyGanoush, good points

Tessa Jowell will be on the Sjy Press Review at 10.30 pm and 11.30 pm tonight. A while back on that show, she was not very complimentary about Corbyn. I bet she will have changed her tune now.

Tessa Jowell is painfully snoring-boring on Press Preview. I don't know if her speech has slowed down or if she's always been like that.

You're right about Tessa. I think she has alway been like that.

Yvette Coooper reminds me of a schoolteacher who as soon as she walks in the room you wish the lesson was over. Because you won't want to listen to anything they have to say. Boring boring boring. At least Liz Kendall has some life about her. It's as much about personality as politics. Something Labour doesn't seem to have caught up with yet.

Surprised she got so far in politics, then.

Hope Yvette gets it. Be great if the labour party had a bright, female leader. She is a hard working mum & I hate how the press tries to reduce her to Mrs Balls, so patronising. I think she's tough and could present a challenge to the current Tory party which is what we need, all those public school boys don't seem able to handle a bright comprehensively educated woman hence the red faced ' calm down dear' to Angela Eagle. I would love PMQ time if she got it.

Viviennemary exactly, it's like a right-on lecture you don't want to hear.

'Surprised she got so far in politics, then'

Yes, I don't think she will get far as mayoral candidate, too goody-goody for the rough and tumble of it.

Politics is interesting when you've actually got something to say, Vivienne. the problem is that so many Labour politicians have no idea what they're meant to say. Contrast the SNP.

Can't argue with that didyouwritethe.

It's as much about personality as politics

The reason Jeremy Corbyn sounded so fresh is precisely because it was NOT about personality but the fact that he was giving straight answers, avoiding soundbites (although I've heard 'I don't do abuse' a tad too often now) and setting out his ideas and policies thematically. On further consideration I think his foreign policy is wrong and his economic policy of quantitative easing unrealistic - Yvette Cooper has addressed those very points. He has been saying similar things for 30 years but it sounds new because we are in the media-managed age of memes and soundbites.

While he has been sympathetically filmed in rallies, giving long interviews to Andrew Marr and the rest of it, Yvette manages to grab ten seconds on the BBC to say 'it's cars and trains, boys' toys' before everyone rushes to Twitter to condemn her for soundbites. Yet she has spoken for hours in Parliament without anyone bothering to listen. This is the quickest example but she is really good at slapping down the Tories:

I'm as guilty as any for not bothering to read Hansard every day, but parliament is where stuff happens, it's where the law that changes our lives gets made and amended. I want a good competent shadow cabinet team led by an experienced ex-minister, who can say those interesting things on complex technical subjects in committees, ministerial meetings, European summits, etc., not a campaign group led by a backbencher who has not taken on any ministerial responsibility in 32 years. Has he even sat on any committees? Our laws in his hands...

Straggle, Yvette Cooper had a great deal more than 10 seconds on Newsnight. She was interviewed by Kirsty Wark, who asked her serious questions. The best she could come up with was that stuff about boy's toys. It was truly cringeworthy. If she were like that in the House, she would be a laughing stock.

Although obviously I feel sorry for her, given what you posted above. Doesn't mean she should be allowed to run the country.