Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

[Myturnnow4]

I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

cruikshank ... it wasn't the "chinless posh braying twats" from Eaton that got us into this mess, but when those who did had no idea how to get us out, that lot did and its working.

As for mentioning "austerity" AND "who in five years in power have spent more than Labour did in 13 years - do you not see the base ignorance of not wanting the Conservatives to CUT the £153 bil a year budget deficit/overspend Labour left (which you call austerity), while bitching they are still spending more than Labour BEFORE Labour left that overspend? Duh.

The UK is the fifth biggest economy, that had grown government spending, benefits/welfare/tax credits MORE than any other European country, and then LEFT the largest annual budget deficit/overspend than any other country in Europe e.g. France the muvver of fat States had a deficit about one third of ours - so we were not rich, we were getting a lot poorer, especially if nothing was done about it.

Corbyn will scrap fracking, ban GM and scrap TTIP. There will be employment, lifelong free learning, free childcare, more money for ordinary people and stinging taxes for the metropolitan elite and hopefully for some charidees too (but I know that won't happen because he is politically correct).

That is good enough for me, even if he is politically correct and against lots of the common sense Farage policies I believe in.

Eveyone believes him

I don't think they do

cruikshank ... re "I don't think Corbyn could do as well as Cameron has done in that regard - welfare spending alone has increased by £28 billion since he got in."

So more hypocrisy or ignorance, as all I've heard for years from every socialist party for over 5-years was that the Conservatives were savagely CUTTING welfare - can 'the people' believe a word socialist parties say?

The fact was, the initial plan was to try and slow the Labour 10-year growth rate down with reforms and checks, and then once the economy was sustainably growing and the private sector was hiring again, try and cut the bill further.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10574376/Graphic-Britain-outstrips-Europe-on-welfare-spending.html

"Despite Mr Osborne’s promise to get welfare under control, the benefits bill is due to increase rapidly in cash terms, from £180bn this year to £203bn in 2018-19."

"Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary, last year admitted he had given up trying to cut the welfare bill and was instead “managing growth at a lower level”.

He also issued a warning to the rich and powerful guarding their tax breaks

As I said upthread, back to the 1970s.

There will be employment, lifelong free learning, free childcare, more money for ordinary people and stinging taxes for the metropolitan elite

That is if the ME stay in this country. If they don't then the "stinging taxes" have to be paid by those that couldn't afford the plane ticket out of here.

"JEREMY Corbyn has barely stepped out his taxi at the Old Fruitmarket on Friday before a man strides across the street to clasp his hand and have his photograph taken with him.

After his cheerfully disorganised minders steer him through the wrong door into a gallery of bars and restaurants, there are more snaps amid beery shouts of “Good luck, Jeremy!”

A woman in a red dress jumps up from her table and bearhugs him.

“Oh, this has made my night,” she says. “Welcome to Glasgow!”

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendumnews/13599925.Labour_leadership_interview__Jeremy_Corbyn/

This is reminiscent of the reception Farage himself receives around the country and in Scotland.

Corbyn is right that he is offering the politics of hope and optimism and that is what people are responding to. No one in the country (apart from the metropolitan elite) believes that there is no alternative to austerity. But no one in the country believes that anyone apart from Corbyn will do anything about it.

Gordon Brown and his best teams of Oxbridge spin doctors, SPADs and cads can all mouth platitudes like "we must help the poor and needy in a better Britain for all" but no one believes them (not even the metropolitan elite) because everybody knows they are all Establishment, all just servants

"I have the honour, Sir, to remain Your Royal Highness' most humble and obedient servant"

from Oxbridge and wouldn't be where they are if they weren't.

The difference with Corbyn is that everybody believes him because we all know he was a rebel who was never a servant throughot his entire parliamentary career. He opposed them all the way and never sold his soul. That is why people really have hope, really have belief that someone like him will expose the lies and end the shamand that is why the metropolitan elite fear him like no other. He can't be bought, he can't be offered a high-paying role in one of their charidees, he is with the people until the end.

But the hope may not last, the hope may one day fade, that we will have to wait and see. But before it does, he will have transformed the country and what better alternative is there?

"For Labour, it's Corbyn or catastrophe"
For the metropolitan elite, it is catastrophe.
For the people, it's win-win all the way each and every day.

He doesn't need to be able to win a general election. The next general election is not for another five years yet.

There are many elections and milestones much sooner than that, and if he does not perform he will have to resign or there will be a coup. Which means another six months of uncertainty, another ballot, another period of chaotic and ineffective opposition, yet the hard left will not accept defeat.

The first tests come within 9 months: May 2016 for London mayor, Scottish Parliament, local councils. Will the mayoral choice work with Corbyn? And will he/she then get elected? The polls are saying Tessa Jowell has the best chance of winning votes from the despicable metropolitan elite. After all the online bile directed at the 'Tory' wing of the Labour Party, is she going to get the nomination? Will Scottish Labour win all the seats in the Scottish Parliament? If not, serious questions would be raised. Yet if they did, you bet the SNP will fight back.

The EU referendum may follow as early as June 2016. It's essential to see his support for the EU is rock solid. Both Unite and the SNP could play with a dangerous game if he shows any prevarication on this which would crowbar open the splits in the party.

'The polls are saying Tessa Jowell has the best chance'

Why not Diane Abbott? She is with Corbyn, and if I remember rightly, Tessa Jowell has not said flattering things about him.

Perhaps in your cynical UKIP entryism fresh newfound enthusiasm for all things left-wing, you may have overlooked that she is disliked by a broad range of voters, from Daily Mail readers to leftists who will never get over her sending her son to a private school. Even Unite backed Sadiq Khan. Who I actually like, son of a taxi driver and all, but from the poll wouldn't appeal beyond Labour voters.

One thing in Diane Abbott's favour is that she is against Heathrow expansion. Yet so is Sadiq Khan. And so is Zac Goldsmith, for those who also like voting Tory.

straggle, politics has changed completely. It started with Farage - people want politicians who have principles and believe what they say, not robotic party automatons who do what the out of touch hierachy have decided without consultation of the people.

That is why Diane Abbott is ideal as a candidate - she is different to the rest.

There are many reasons to vote Corbyn. Firstly he makes Labour unelectable,
secondly he makes UKIP more appealing. He does however have some interesting ideas; but his views on open borders are not what the public want to hear, so I say bring him on!................

Unscrupulous bosses could give reasons for Corbyn not getting in.
If he got into power we might return to a qualifying period for employment protection of a year,and an ability for people to access employment tribunals.
We might do away with zero hours contracts,and allow unions hold a ballot not subject to unfair restrictions.

If Tessa Jowell is doing well,perhaps Corbyn voters should be careful about 2nd choices,as is her suggestion to keep him out?
Whats good for the goose.....

Why not Diane Abbott? She is with Corbyn, and if I remember rightly, Tessa Jowell has not said flattering things about him.

If you are going down the 'she is with Corbyn route' despite sending her DC to private school etc then you might as well say why not Galloway. He is 'with Corbyn too' if that is the criteria you are using.

Yes, Diane Abbott is very different from the rest. She does telly with Michael Portillo, knows all the school City of London School mums, and inspires letters from Michael Rosen

Funinthesun15, Galloway is not Labour, he is his own one-man band, whereas Diane is a left wing maverick within Labour. At first on TV she was saying that Corbyn won't win, but now she has seen the light and has realised that Corbyn is being swept along by the public mood which will also sweep her in.

Diane's decision to send her son to private school is small fry in the big scheme of things. OK, she is not like Saint Corbyn, who according to probably exaggerated reports divorced due to a row over sending one of his sons to grammar school, but who has principles like Corbyn, apart from Farage?

Diane did not vote for the war, on most of the big issues she held true to her beliefs and that is all the public wants at the moment. The reason for that is, in future when the metropolitan elite want some other policies that go against the people implemented, only the politicians who held true to their beliefs will stand up for the people and refuse to obey the metropolitan elite.

She's a hypocrite. She criticised fellow Labour MPs for sending their children to grammar schools then defended her own decision to choose a fee paying school because 'black mothers would go to the wall for their children'. She's made similarly racist remarks about white Finnish nurses not being suitable to work in an east end hospital. I don't know a single 'genuine' Corbyn supporter who would vote for her. She did dismally badly in the 2010 leadership elections and the unions didn't support her either, as they do not now.

You're doing a persistent job of parodying unthinking populism but you haven't quite got your finger on the pulse with that one.

'You're doing a persistent job of parodying unthinking populism but you haven't quite got your finger on the pulse with that one.'

Let's wait and see. I am not Labour, I am neutral, but I know that when I see Sadiq Khan and David Lammy (the Establishment's approved favourites) on TV, I scramble for the off button, and when I see Diane on This Week with the excellent Andrew Neil, I am interested to see what she says even when i disagree with her because I know she is for real and is not the Establishment's favourite. I think lots of neutrals robably think the way I do. Obviously the metropolitan elite don't, that goes without saying- they like Sadiq Khan and David Lammy.

Diane has the highest net approval rating, apart from media favourite Alan Johnson. I am not surprised when you compare her to the approved candidates.

"Fellow Tory and environmental campaigner Zac Goldsmith would fare little better with a net score of –6.

In line with the poll’s overall findings, several Labour names do better. Diane Abbott, who has put herself forward, scores +13, while the former home secretary Alan Johnson – who has not expressed any interest – scores even higher, with +18.

The bookies’ favourite, Tessa Jowell, does somewhat less well, but still comes out with +11.

Net scores were lower, though still positive, for three lower-profile politicians on whom only a minority of respondents had a view: David Lammy (+9), Sadiq Khan (+2) and Oona King (+5)."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/27/london-labour-gains-general-election-poll

What is surprising is that Sadiq Khan scored so highly.

Gordon Bennett speech in full swing underway right now.

Non-stop strutting across the stage, to and fro, hither and thither. More name-dropping than a retired luvvie reminiscing about old times - Nelson Mandela, Elton John, Amy Winehouse and then crashing back down to Neil Kinnock.

This is the best they have got. This is Custer's Last Stand. This is Stop Corbyn and stop the people at its finest.

But it's dragging on, the gags are going nowhere, the name-dropping is getting confusing, it's hard to keep track of all of them.

He mentioned someone called "Jenny Lee" that none of us have heard of apart from in that old country and western swing standard "Oh Jenny Lee from sunny Tennessee".

It's not looking good. Put your money on Corbyn while the bookies are still taking bets. Even the metropolitan elite have walked out of the room where the strutting is underway. They have had enough. Some of them were seen phoning the bookies trying to place a last minute desperate bet and shouting into the receiver "put it all on Corbyn, this is going to be a landslide, Brown has put the final nail in the coffin of our chances"

He mentioned "Sure Start". That's it, put your remaining coppers on Corbyn. It's all over. The people have won.

Diane Abbott is entertaining on that late night show. But as a politician she is a hypocrite of the worst order. If she cannot remain true to her principles in private life what is the point. And she made a racist remark. And it was just brushed aside.

The people have won.

Only the 'people' that would vote for him.

Some of them were seen phoning the bookies trying to place a last minute desperate bet and shouting into the receiver "put it all on Corbyn, this is going to be a landslide

Overly dramatic much.....

I also hope that as a man who 'doesn't do personal attacks', comes out and says something about the vile trolling that is going on by a number of his supporters.

It is some of the worst that I have seen and I am very thick skinned.

'It is some of the worst that I have seen and I am very thick skinned.'

I haven't seen any of it because I am not on twitter. Is it just calling people Tory lite or worse than that?

I must admit, I have grown to like Liz Kendall. She is always positive, always optimistic, always smiling and very tough even though she doesn't stand a chance. She has done really well throughout.