Well done George Osborne - stonking budget

[claig]

Tax free Allowance rising to £11000
40% tax threshold rising to £43000
Corporation Tax falling to 19% and then 18%
National Living Wage will reach £9 by 2020, will start at £7.20

If they carry on like this, Labour are finished and poor old UKIP and Farage won't stand a chance of getting a look in. But credit where credit is due - well done Osborne!

TBH honest there have been some horrid things said on 'both sides' on these threads... Why does it always have to resort to stereotyping and name calling (again on both sides)

Oh and for the record we will be worse off.

Got a lot more names for my "cunts to be avoided on mn" list.

I don't want to won an argument.
I don't want to silence anyone.
I want understanding.
I want compassion.
I want people to stop refering to me as a scrounger.
I want people to understand that me and my child are suffering under the torys and now we are going to suffer even more.
I want to stop being made to feel like a parasite for being ill.
I want to never have seen someone say they are getting the champagne out after seeing a budget which means Im going to go hungry.

I have swore alot today on here. I don't care. This is mine and my childs life here. I'm not just some statistic.
We are real and we're fucked.

WalkingThePlank, you are spot on. Liz Kendall understands it. She is desperately trying to break out of the straightjacket and appeal to us, the silent majority. But she is always dragged back down by the progressives trying to induce guilt. They don't understand that it is counterproductive and wins over more Tory supporters, but Liz gets it.

'I don't believe you are capable of feeling guilt, that would mean you would need to acknowledge that they 'progressives' had a point.'

Yes, MrsDevere you keep believing I am a bad person, incapable of feeling guilt and incapable of understanding progressives' point. I am not as good and worthy as you, I'm just an ignorant unfeeling fool who thinks creating a National Living Wage of £9 by 2020 rather than Labour's promised £8 and increasing the tax threshold to £11000 rather than the £6500 it was under Labour is bad thing because it takes low-wage earners out of taxation. Really I should prefer Labour with their £6500 threshold.

"Claig, it's impossible to crush the 'progressives' you name. It may be attempted but there will always be a vocal minority"

squidzin, that is good because I believe in freedom and not silencing people and listening to their views and not insulting them.

Rafa
I have no need of "schemes"
The system is full of holes. I just need to read the documents carefully.
I will lose out, but I will mitigate my losses
and cope with it.

Claig
The fact that you refer to progressives in such a disdainful manner says more about you than it ever does about anybody else.

Which utter numpty has designed the benefits calculators to not include single people with no children claiming tax credots if working under 30hrs? Does anyone have a link to one that does, because the two I've just done are giving falsely reassuring results.

TalkinPeace, progressive is a term for left wing just as Tory or Conservative is for right wing.

"Progress
Labour's Progressives

A message from ony Blair"

www.progressonline.org.uk/about-progress/a-message-from-tony-blair/

Yes Claig, the £1 per hour increase in 5 years time is worth £1950 pa. The tax decrease is worth £80 pa. So that adds up to £2350 over the next 5 years.

That totally compensates for the loss of £10,000 tax credits over the same period.

Oswin :(

That's what's so disgusting about the selfish attitudes on this thread. As long as they're ok, anyone else is a sore loser, or a whiny progressive. It's all a big fucking game when you're winning.

Until you get sick, or made redundant, or have to care for a seriously ill or injured family member. I wonder if you'll all be praising the 'stonking budget' then?

Wow!
You are narrow minded and political aren't you.
Bigger picture just passed you by.

I do agree with bubbles that these threads are often quite nasty on both sides.
I'm not sure what good it can do to suggest that all Tory voters are heartless, evil people who like seeing the poor suffer it don't care about them.
They have a different view about how society can best move forward, I happen to think they are wrong but that doesn't necessarily make them heartless.

I do find it terribly frustrating to have people who are better off make insensitive comments about people cutting their cloth appropriately or working harder. Anyone who thinks hard work and affluence have any real correlation in our society has their eyes shut. If affluence and hard work went hand in hand NHS nurses would be millionaires! A lot of the students I teach are children of NHS nurses and their families are not rolling in it (and not because they've spent all their money on private school either). They work incredibly hard, long hours and a lot of the girls I teach have to fit their schoolwork around caring for younger siblings. Yes I'm sure investment bankers aren't twiddling their thumbs all day but they aren't inherently worth more. They don't 'deserve' to be paid 2x or 10x as much.

lougle, you are right, but not everyone on mimimum wage is getting tax credits. Labour introduced them and I agree with the Conservatives that we country have to transition away from them over the coming decades because work should pay a proper liivng wage without the need for the taxpayer to subsidise workers to the great extent that Labour introduced.

It dosn't make sense to tax teh lw paid and then give back in benefits. The solution is to begin to raise the tax threshold ever higher and lower taxes so that the working poor keep more of their money and so that work is incentivised. I am all for scrapping council tax for low paid wrkers slashing taxes so that they keep more money.

Lougle. You could just spend less on luxuries

claig
What about making companies pay taxes?
If employment taxes fall away, and corporation tax is cut, where WILL the money come from to fund the NHS and schools and roads and the environment?

And did you not already know that the poor do not pay council tax?
Had that gem not squeezed into your bubble world?

Oswin

New to mumsnet, themadwoman, or just name changed for this thread?

Long time lurker

'Bigger picture just passed you by.'

TalkinPeace, you're the one who is moaning that you will be £5000 worse off because Osborne hit the dividend payout for Ltd companies. I had a Ltd cmany like that and said I think Osborne is right to hit it and that the BBC was right to end the use of private service companies for their stars earning million pound salaries and reducing their tax liability via these companies because that tax should be used to increase the tax threshold for low paid workers. That is the big picture.

What I don't like is people insulting posters who disagree with them and trying to silence their free speech.

Where this was NOT a stonking budget was raising the inheritance tax threshold. When welfare is being cut, then why make the rich richer by increasing inherited wealth?

My DH earns £12k per year. He only pays £280 pa tax as it is and it doesn't matter if the tax threshold is £12k or £20k, it won't give him any more money.

'The reality that it is not the people buying crates of beer and fags as in that utterly fuckwitted post up thread.'

I did not post that, but that is part of free speech just like people calling Tories cunts. I believe in free speech and am sick of progressives trying to tell people what they should be thinking.