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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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LaVolcan · 12/05/2015 21:39

How do you know that we don't do both? Sometimes though, the good work by stealth doesn't show up. Sometimes you have to take a stand.

ShellyBoobs · 12/05/2015 21:41

Vanilla, perhaps you should think about organising a protest against the protest against democracy?

Grin
VanillaTwirl · 12/05/2015 21:44

I couldn't be fecking arsed to!!
Grin

Perhaps we should trend a hashtag?

#protestagainstdemocracy

WinkGrin

Ubik1 · 12/05/2015 21:49

Here's my open letter to the Conservatives

An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative
VanillaTwirl · 12/05/2015 22:02

That made me lol Ubik - is it Scottish? Scotland is the only place I've heard anyone being called a pure fanny Grin

donemekmelarf · 12/05/2015 22:05

I voted Conservative.
I'm happy.
Thanks for asking! Smile

BuriedSardine · 12/05/2015 22:18

#furiousaboutdemocracygrrrr

#purefannycammy

VanillaTwirl · 12/05/2015 22:30

Lol at #purefannycammy
Grin

ShellyBoobs · 13/05/2015 11:15

Latest unemployment figures show a drop of 30,000

Average pay up 2.2%

More fuel to the fire for the #protestagainstdemocracy

Bloody Tories getting people into work and pay going up.

sourdrawers · 13/05/2015 11:34

Shelly Whilst you may be happy to swallow the Tory rhetoric about 'tackling inequality' - 'protecting public services' - 'unity' – 'We're all in this together' – as fact. There are many of us who see it as a cruel sham. But that aside.
I'm afraid it is 'this one again'. Labour are also part of a political system hammered into shape by corporate interests, 'mainstream' parties like them could never deliver anything truly progressive. So yes I did complain then as I am now and will continue to, until we fix the broken 'democracy' that exists in this country. Sadly big money and a media subservient to the party that most efficiently acts for elite interests, won the election. Win every election...

BTW, It's wonderful to hear you'll be out there protesting LaVolcan. To do nothing is to guarantee nothing will change.

Isitmebut · 13/05/2015 11:46

"Truly progressive" .... Hmmm.

I'm still waiting to hear in great detail what that actually means, over what time objective, how much it is going to cost, and that the money raised is guaranteed to get there.

Until those details/policies are set in stone, it will just be a banner for those that just want to criticise.

Meanwhile for all us plebs waiting for ANY political party to wage their magic wands and fully plan/cost 'progressive', never mind implement it, best we get on with it the hard way.

SomewhereIBelong · 13/05/2015 12:08

"The trouble with any fashionable word is that it becomes a mere slogan without any precise meaning 'Progressive' - you call your own policies progressive, and brand those of your opponent as 'regressive' without any need to show rationally why this is so. In the same way, to call your opponents' ideas 'undemocratic' is to rubbish them out of hand, for who would want to be thought to be against democracy? The use of slogans closes off arguments without the substance being rationally discussed, and is a form of thought manipulation."

Which flavour of "progressive" do we want anyhow.....

sourdrawers · 13/05/2015 13:19

Well you could start with what it could mean to have a Govt that doesn't run the country in the interests of a hyper wealthy/powerful elite and instead runs it in the interests of it's people...

Also what I call progressive is, or would be - extended public ownership, redistributed wealth, keeping out of (illegal or not) American led Wars and doing so with a degree of pragmatism.

As for Until those details/policies are set in stone, my point of view is a throw-away one. Are you aware of the TUSC economic plans? Are the Tory lies of jam tomorrow in the run up to the election facts that are 'set in stone'? Do Cameron/Osborne consider them to be that, do you suppose?
Is Austerity an economic necessity, 'set in stone'? No, It's simply a political philosophy to change how society works.

Tory claims of falling unemployment is a complete fabrication BTW and a total misrepresentation of the truth as well. Many (of the so called falling unemployed) are straight forward reclassifications of people who work in further education and public services generally, and have simply been reclassified from public sector workers to private sector workers. Hundreds of thousands more are part time; temporary; self employed; under employed seeking benefits which aren't being counted in the latest stat's.

Cameron, Osborne and Clegg have destroyed more then 500,000 public sector workers (police, nurses, midwives, teachers, teaching assistants, lolly pop ladies, caretakers, elderly care wardens, educational welfare officers, family liaison officers, social workers etc etc) and there is another half a million to follow, and on top of that Osborne has announced another £16bn in cuts, which will greatly impinge not only on the weakest, poorest, disabled and unemployed etc, it will heavily impinge of the staff employed in our vital services, which means disruption of services in YOUR schools - YOUR hospitals - YOUR elderly care - YOUR local public services and YOUR local economy.

Anyway, I notice no one's challenging on the 'biased media' assertion?

SomewhereIBelong · 13/05/2015 13:29

"media" having bias is a thoroughly outdated concept- twitter, facebook, open forum chat have put paid to that - newspapers both paper and online have bias - always will have - whoever pays the piper picks the tune.

TwartFaceBeetj · 13/05/2015 13:32

shelly two things

  1. Pay average isn't actually the average pay has risen, its an average taken from across the board. So the top paid millionaire pay rise and all bonuses are taken in to account then averaged out across all employed. It's like saying Peter, John and Jane each have 5p then John was given 51p (which is his alone) but now we look at the three as a Whole.
Altogether they now have 66p Average out the extra money between them it looks like they each got 17p each.

2.What needs asking though is what are the jobs that have been taken up? Are they zero hours? Part-time few hours a week, temporary for a couple of weeks?
Whilst I'm glad people are being employed.
I'd like to see more secure jobs on the market.

Zero hours/temporary work is fine if you don't have rent/mortgage to pay or a family to feed.

Isitmebut · 13/05/2015 13:46

sourdraws ... you lost me with the first Labour sour grapes political propaganda paragraph, as if true, in just looking after 'hyper' wealthy the UK would be in a worse shape now than when Labour leaves it and more akin to pre Berlin Wall fall, East Germany or N. Korea.

Do you want me to go over Labour's 13-year record, 10-of them during a 'money is no object' boom, in looking after the poor in jobs, tax rises, education, lack of new homes etc etc etc. Find the link I started.

Do you want to see the truth of public sector employment under Labour, growing quangos and non jobs to ‘massage’ the employment figures - growing FASTER as a percentage than the private sector paying for those jobs over 13-years - then look at the 4th chart below, and explain why under Labour around 2008, as those paying the bills became unemployed, Labour mirrored that private sector job fall, with public sector 'job creation'????
www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-22/uks-holiday-cheer-in-four-charts

As a bonus your explanation may just dispel my belief that it was that type of economic feckwittery before the 2010 General Election, that gave us such a huge annual budget deficit.

Clearly the 'fat' was in non front line services, and maybe apart from the hundreds of thousands on new Labour teaching assistants found not to have made any difference to our childrens education, that is where the axe fell.

Isitmebut · 13/05/2015 13:52

What is it, 800,000 on Zero Hours plus how many on the Minimum Wage = ????

Then take the total in employment and what do you get?

Isitmebut · 13/05/2015 14:33

Todays 5.5% Unemployment stats - around half that of the Eurozone.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32719779
”Average pay for employees, excluding bonuses, rose by 2.2% in the quarter compared with a year earlier.”

”Including the effect of bonus payments, average pay rose by 1.9% over the same period.”

”The figures mean that regular pay is now growing at its fastest rate for nearly four years.”

”It said this meant the employment rate was now at 73.5%, its highest since records began in 1971.”

”On the other side of the coin, the unemployment rate fell to 5.5% in the January to March period, the lowest rate since the middle of 2008.”

”That was down from 5.7% in the October to December quarter and lower than the 6.8% level recorded a year ago.”

”The number of people claiming Jobseeker's Allowance, the old claimant count, fell by 12,600 in April to 764,000.”

"There are also more convincing signs than ever before that this extra demand for labour is causing the market to tighten, pushing up regular pay growth to 2.2%," he said.”

”"With consumer price inflation stuck at zero, workers are experiencing solid real pay rises for the first time since the recession," he added.”

And when did the recession begin, 2008, and when has Labour blamed the Conservatives for the fall in real earnings, that would be from May 2010.

And how many were on Zero Hours with inflation under Labour up at 3-5%, I don’t know, I can’t find any recorded figures of a contract that has been around since the 1990’s – hence 'the forgotten' and no mention in Labour’s 2010 General Election manifesto.

LaVolcan · 13/05/2015 14:53

Nice bit of selective quoting there Isitmebut

You missed this bit out:

But not all Wednesday's economic news was good. The Bank of England cut its 2015 growth forecast from 2.9% to 2.5%, and for next year from 2.9% to 2.6%, as governor Mark Carney unveiled his quarterly inflation report.
[[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32720772 ]]

Meanwhile, Mr Carney warned of "underlying weakness" as the Bank gave a gloomier picture for productivity growth. The Bank revised down its productivity forecast because it sees a disproportionate number of new jobs as low-skilled and low-output.

TwartFaceBeetj · 13/05/2015 14:59

Well lets say John earned his 51p and wasn't given it in bonuses. It's still worked out the same way.

I'm not here to argue for labour, they also created a lot of problems.

And massaging figures is certainly not a new thing. It would just be nice to have the original facts laid on the table from all sides. It'll never happen

were we to be under a labour government now, I would still be asking the same questions on any employment and other statistics that were published.

sourdrawers · 13/05/2015 16:02

Isitme You do love a stat don't you? Also you seem to have it in your head that I'm arguing Labour's cause? You either haven't been reading my posts properly, or you've mistaken me for someone else.

So an overwhelmingly pro-Conservative media influencing the already limited choice of the electorate is 'old news' Somewhere? Irrelevant, out of date, something to forget about as we have social media now and everyone takes their cue from that? Not wishing to be rude but wake up, please! The Conservatives had the all powerful Rupert Murdoch media empire on their side and once again, the Dirty Digger’s got what he was after....

LaVolcan · 13/05/2015 16:54

The Dirty Digger would trim his sails to whichever wind blew favourably for him though. If he thought the Tories would let him down he would ditch them.

ShellyBoobs · 13/05/2015 17:08

You're incredibly disparaging towards the electorate, sour.

The implication is that you're clever enough to see through the thinly veiled Tory propaganda of the media, but most other people are too stupid to make their own decisions and so voted as they did because they were told to.

Nice.

Isitmebut · 13/05/2015 17:18

LaVolcan ...... in "selective" you’re not wrong, but only as to the subject matter, unemployment;

  • Re annual UK GDP prediction revised down by the BoE; well first of all the GDP figure is a LAGGING economic indicator and businesses warning of a Labour or messy coalition would have pared back activity before hand – the FTSE gaining around £50 billion of Friday would tend to agree with general pessimism before hand.

FYI the OBR in its 5-year forecasts using Osborne’s Autumn/Budget statements had the UK at an expected 2.5% growth for years ahead, versus around the then 2.9% - so no real problem or cause for longer term concern until June or Septembers GDP figures IMO, when businesses would start to adapt to another 5-years of a pro business government.

_Re Productivity; it’s a bummer , but I’ve addressed this recently, fairly comprehensively in answer to a blacksunday OP in the link below – I even got a silver star from another poster, maybe you’ll give me a gold one. lol
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2346612-two-thirds-of-leading-UK-economists-say-coalition-austerity-has-been-bad-for-the-economy

LaVolcan · 13/05/2015 17:32

Isitmebut The point I wanted to get across was his comments about the quality of the jobs on offer. There is very little use bragging about unemployment going down, if they are just zero hours contracts. Someone might be on the books, be offered no hours, and be paid zilch. Are they really employed?

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