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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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Viviennemary · 11/05/2015 14:14

I didn't vote for Labour or like them very much in the last four years. I think Labour voters have the right to be annoyed and voice their disappointment. It's only been a few days. It was nice to see all these Scottish MP's arriving at Westminster though. I hope it will be a bit of fresh air rather than same old Labour opposition.

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 14:21

I didn't vote for or particularly like Labour either, I voted Conservative.

I'm just really interested as too how things will move on from here - I hope that a long overdue change is happening and have enjoyed reading a few mooted ideas on this thread (which in the later stages has become quite a nice thread, not the long winded ramblings of the OP and another poster!).

sourdrawers · 11/05/2015 14:45

Do you think I want to promote a 'something for nothing culture' bananaramadramallama?

Labour have failed to do anything to reverse the decline in jobs and aspiration among it's traditional voters, in the areas that have been Labour since year dot. Traditional industry has died out in many places and that's that. But Labour have failed to do anything to get meaningful employment opportunities back to those areas. (The Tories you don't expect to anything).

I read sometime ago about a delegation of MP's, civil servants and various other hangers-on that were travelling the BRICK economies and beyond to get a deal on building wind turbines for some massive UK based, off shore development. Costing millions no doubt! Now despite years of Labour Govt, why didn't they insist we make them in one of the deprived area of the country where the jobs would be needed most? Imagine the effects that would have on the local economies, the workers, factories, the communities they serve and so on? Reason? The banks and venture capitalists wouldn't make any money that's why they didn't do it. This was a Labour govt mind you. Run by public school educated, middle class idealists with no understanding of poverty and deprivation.

midnightexpress · 11/05/2015 14:55

What have the SNP done in their 7 years in power up here to create jobs?

CultureSucksDownWords · 11/05/2015 16:41

I find it amusing that some Conservative voters on this thread like 80schild think that people can only do one thing at a time (or even, only one thing at all)...

It's perfectly possible to be discussing on this thread, whilst also taking action about the things that people aren't happy about! Perhaps even finding that discussing things on this thread might help crystallise the action that people want to take and give them the spur to take that action.

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 18:06

No, I don't think that at all sour, I'm just thinking out loud a lot and musing different viewpoints from the thread.

Sorry that my post came across as directed at you, it was more that I ranted off on a tangent from all of what you said Smile

YY culture - I am at a point in my life where I have found myself out of a job due to illness, and I've had my interest piqued a lot towards politics - I am churning over several things in my head and am seriously considering joining a party - I just don't know which one yet!

sourdrawers · 11/05/2015 18:34

Sorry to hear of your situation. If it isn't through choice that is? I too am wondering what political party I'm going to have an affair with. I voted Green in this lat election die to them being the only party to oppose TTIP.

sourdrawers · 11/05/2015 18:35

Ooopps sorry for spelling there... I spelt TIPP right though,

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 21:07

I'm in the forces sour, have been for 20 years, but I'm being medically discharged, which is essentially sacked.
I'll get an immediate pension though (which I was only 2 yrs away from anyway) so it's not too bad.
Not my choice to leave, but to be honest I was more than ready to go - I'd started to resent it all and had grown cynical.

I'm just wondering what to do next, if anything!

BettyCatKitten · 11/05/2015 23:48

All that is to be done is to watch either with glee or horror what the next 5 years will bring.
Some will do very well and a lot will do very badly.

ShellyBoobs · 12/05/2015 08:10

Just the same as if any other party had won, then.

bananaramadramallama · 12/05/2015 08:19

I'm sure there's more to it than 'glee or horror' Betty, and 'most' will probably just carry on as ever they did.

sourdrawers · 12/05/2015 08:45

ShellyBoobs Yes, pretty much. The "big 3" were offering just about the same thing. Austerity, Trident missiles, more NHS privatisation etc... Might have well just flipped a coin - the difference it would have made.

Isitmebut · 12/05/2015 09:00

The difference was economic competence; if there was any doubt before had, senior Labour figures NOW speaking up i.e. Sugar, Miliband (D) and Darling have confirmed it - and I don't know of a country in the world, where the poor don't suffer more with the economy down the pan-hole, when words don't pay the bills.

From Cameron's new Cabinet and focus, I would be surprised at the end of the next 5-years that anyone would (fairly) doubt that the Conservative administration beginning in 2010, would have been far more inclusive and better for the long term prospects of the poorer in society, than a clueless Labour Party full of progressive soundbites, with no realistic economic/financial plans to back them up.

Time will tell, as there will be no excuse not to deliver their whole 2015 manifesto, and once again, for those who think our economic growth/education/employment is turned on by a click of a switch - we can be internationally judged versus the rest of Europe, including Germany.

Linguini · 12/05/2015 18:56

Goodness me, can't read the full thread but just some solidarity here.

Hopefully see u at one of the protests or demonstrations!

20th June and counting !!

sourdrawers · 12/05/2015 19:24

economic competence? That's a good one! Have you forgotten the scandalous way they sold off the Royal Mail at way below its market value?

If there had been proper media coverage of the way Tories have sold off public assets to their City chums, and the future privatizations Cameron and Co have planned (Chancellor George Osborne has pledged to sell off £20bn more of state assets by 2020), then the Tories would not get anywhere near the amount of seats they did.

So it would be advisable not to get too smug about it, the Tories only had 37% support from a turnout of 66%. That means only 24% of the eligible electorate actually voted for a Tory government. Such is the undemocratic nature of the electoral system in the UK. The establishment wins every time. It could just as easily be the other right wing lot.

LaVolcan · 12/05/2015 19:43

20th June - hope to be there.

VanillaTwirl · 12/05/2015 20:49

Good God, another fucking protest.
Why?

I think DC et al know about people wanting 'an end to austerity' - do you really think that descending on London en masse is going to do anything for your cause other than cost the taxpayer yet again, money that the country can ill afford.
Police, security, clean up, repairs, rubbish collection etc etc etc.

Go and do something worthwhile - volunteer, help out a neighbour, befriend someone in an old people's home with no family, help out a struggling young family, arrange collections & donations for food banks - just do something that is actually worthwhile and productive.

The 'People's Assembly Against Austerity' who are organising the demonstration are asking for donations for "placards, transport, staging, publicity, leaflets, posters, banners and more" as it will apparently cost them thousands to "put this event on".

Donate the thousands to fucking Nepal, or a charity who is helping the needy - people who are really struggling - not just a bunch of disgruntled lefties who are in a huff.

Ffs.

BuriedSardine · 12/05/2015 20:59

VanillaGrin

Protesting against democracy.

Surely one of the biggest own goals of the century?

machair · 12/05/2015 21:07

What a lot of rubbish you write. What kind of mess do you think this country would be in if labour had remained in power 5 years ago? NHS, education, benefits etc cost money. We need a strong economy to provide these things.

LaVolcan · 12/05/2015 21:17

Go and do something worthwhile
Tick all the boxes there.
Donate to Nepal. Tick the box there too.
Donate to charity Tick those boxes too. Do you?

Are we a police state, are we not allowed to protest?

ShellyBoobs · 12/05/2015 21:24

So it would be advisable not to get too smug about it, the Tories only had 37% support from a turnout of 66%. That means only 24% of the eligible electorate actually voted for a Tory government. Such is the undemocratic nature of the electoral system in the UK. The establishment wins every time. It could just as easily be the other right wing lot.

Yawn. Not this again.

That percentage is MORE than Labour got the last 2 times they got in. Were you complaining then, too?

ShellyBoobs · 12/05/2015 21:30

Will the 'protesters' be shouting about the police cuts before they start attacking them, I wonder?

I bet those poor coppers are really looking forward to the riot that is guaranteed to ensue.

VanillaTwirl · 12/05/2015 21:35

buried, you're right! I hadn't even thought about it like that.
I shall now call it the Protest Against Democracy™ Grin

I have always been struck by occasions whereby people under pressure do something selfless, such as during times of war or hardship -it has a much bigger and more powerful effect imo.

The Upper Clyde Shipbuilders in the 70s are an example - instead of striking they occupied the company and had a 'work-in', to prove how necessary they were.

Instead of this Protest Against Democracy™, would it not be more of an impact to make it a day that counts?
For example, if every one of the 1000s that are planning to protest did something to benefit their community, however small, that would send a message of solidarity, compassion and caring about the vulnerable (something they are very vocal about).

VanillaTwirl · 12/05/2015 21:39

LaVolcan, I tick all of those boxes and also others.

Let's not get into competitive do-gooding, I am a Tory voter so I only do it for evil and selfish reasons.

Why are you Protesting Against Democracy™ out of interest?