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Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

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chicaguapa · 03/05/2013 07:44

I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

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Xenia · 03/05/2013 11:32

Until we leave the EU the UKIP cannot remove laws which we have to have under EU law. SSP and SMP - does not matter whether the employer or the state pays them surely if you get the money? SMP is only 6 weeks at 90% opay. After that most people cannot afford to live on the amount they pay unless they saved up so plenty of us are back in 6 weeks under current law.

Sick pay - the first 3 days is unpaid under current law and after that at a very low rate. Some employers choose to pay more but not all.

I am not a UKIP supporter, but you can see people using it as a protest vote and the impact my be as Farage suggested on R4 this morning that other parties will have to take on board their policies as he said accurately that Blair did because of the SDP threat - Labour adopted CDP policies, ditched the left and although yes Labour got in it was really the SDP policies.

I am sure UKIP has not costed most of its policies. I like the idea of a 33% flat tax which I think merges with NI.

Orwellian · 03/05/2013 11:33

I think the UKIP are seen as a protest vote by a lot of people (just to qualify, I wouldn't vote at all at the moment as I don't believe in any of the parties or anything they say).

I think there is real, deep felt anger at the way the main parties (Lab, Lib Dems, Cons) seem to look down at the voters, say one thing in their manifesto but do another and just generally have an arrogance about them that originates from a political class that is currently bred in Oxbridge and has very little experience of the real world or real worries. Let's face it, how many current politicians will have to worry about housing or their childrens education or a pension - very few. I also think that politicians these days seem to be very much career politicians and will cosy up to business or unions who will help them further their career once they have left office. Very few seem genuinely concerned in doing what is right for the country but rather make policies (or change policies) to ensure they are re-elected. They all seem very cynical, immoral, grabbing and untrustworthy.

UKIP appeals because people know what it stands for (even if it does ride on one main policy) as opposed to the Tories or Labour who don't seem to stand for anything at the moment and have become red-Tories, blue-Labour with policies that many people don't really worry too much about such as gay marriage or windfarms.

People mostly vote UKIP because people don't like being told not to do something and people hate the whole "you're racist if you oppose unlimited immigration" because they see for themselves that it is not a racism issue but rather an issue of overcrowding, pressure on public services, school places, the NHS which the big parties are currently putting their heads in the sand about for some reason, when the reality is very dire for a lot of people.

fluffiphlox · 03/05/2013 11:33

I don't know why anyone would vote for them. And Farage always seems too pleased with himself and just a little bit thick. Last general election they were canvassing around here and the man that came to our door was the sort of bearded, beblazered, patronising, stumpy fool who would buy you a nice half or a sweet sherry and call you 'young lady'. No ta.

George83 · 03/05/2013 11:34

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LtEveDallas · 03/05/2013 11:35

Blueskies, what about this for a quote from a UKIP MEP:

Godfrey Bloom (UKIP MEP since 2004) has notoriously declared: No selfrespecting
small businessman with a brain in the right place would ever employ a
lady of child-bearing age

He applied for a place on the Women?s Rights
Committee of the European Parliament, saying I am here to represent Yorkshire
women who always have dinner on the table when you get home. I am going to
promote men?s rights.

He wanted to deal with women?s issues because I just don?t think they clean behind the fridge enough.

Mr Bloom later said that employers should not ?waste? money training pregnant
staff, and added Women don?t need protection nowadays ? they?re the ones ruling
the roost.

And, of course, every single UKIP MEP is a white, middle-aged, middle-class
male.

I won't do that to my girls...

exexpat · 03/05/2013 11:38

Godfrey Bloom is the MEP who thinks he can disprove allegations of misogyny by putting pictures on his website of him posing with anonymous adult women, tagged 'Godfrey and the girls'.

Blueskiesandbuttercups · 03/05/2013 11:39

Hmmmm the other 3 have pretty much shat all over my 3 children.

Orwellian's post was spot on.

LtEveDallas · 03/05/2013 11:39

Sorry, that was a C&P from a PDF that didn't quite work Smile. You get the jist I hope.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/05/2013 11:47

The UKIP wouldn't be the best choice for my child. To say the least.

ihategeorgeosborne · 03/05/2013 11:48

The child benefit policy alone ensures that I will never vote tory again. We haven't had local elections where we are, but I am much cheered that the current useless lot of incumbents are getting a good kicking country wide.

George83 · 03/05/2013 11:50

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Lazyjaney · 03/05/2013 11:51

Turn the OPs question on it's head - what do you think you get for voting for any of the main parties - and you instantly see why people are supporting UKIP.

The main parties have got their heads stuck in the London Chatterati bubble (media, money and MPs) and seem unable to grasp where the rest of the country is, and seem to be churning out policy after policy that makes no sense. Vote Labour, LibDem, Cons - you're just getting the same metropolitan upper middle class professional politicians, all in hoc to the same media and money powers.

RooneyMara · 03/05/2013 11:51

thanks, Tiggy.

Blueskies, no, I'm not being overdramatic.

George83 · 03/05/2013 11:56

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Wallison · 03/05/2013 11:57

I don't think that pointing out when a racist is saying racist things is 'dismissing' them, George83. On the contrary, it is challenging them, which is what one should do with a racist. And just because there are lots of them, doesn't make them right.

Lazyjaney · 03/05/2013 12:02

" Like I said, these kind of parties have a history of taking advantage of poor economic situations and political vacuums. The UK is heading into dangerous waters"

For them to succeed it also requires the main parties to complacently ignore and disparage these movements and issues, and to try and suppress debate.

So carrying on calling everyone you disagree with "Racists" and "Fruitcakes" is just playing into their hands.

George83 · 03/05/2013 12:04

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slug · 03/05/2013 12:04

Does anyone else picture Farrage asking for "A white wine/fruit based drink for the ladies" in a pub?

George83 · 03/05/2013 12:06

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RooneyMara · 03/05/2013 12:06

i'm trying to work out which character from the simpsons he most resembles. the man has no lips.

George83 · 03/05/2013 12:07

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Wallison · 03/05/2013 12:09

Lazyjaney, I am not responsible for the actions of racists being racist.

Tiggy, I would define racist as anyon who is racist. HTH.

Lazyjaney · 03/05/2013 12:10

Tiggy I think the main parties are still largely faffing around with "top of Maslow" issues, ie "first world problems" for well to do and secure parts of the population, whereas the reality of the many is more fundamental "bottom of Maslow" issues like food, shelter, futures for their kids etc.

slug · 03/05/2013 12:11

Surely this one

MoreBeta · 03/05/2013 12:14

I am voting/voted UKIP because I am sick to death of being treated like an idiot by the other parties who have a nice cosy liberal North London intelligensia mindset of a political elite that just isnt relevant to what the country actually needs.

I absolutely agree with what David Starkey said last night on Question Time and good on him for getting right up the noses of the rest of the panelists.