Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

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I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

'infamouspoo Sun 05-May-13 18:15:53

'We class your care as 'work' and pay you accordingly.'

yes please Lazarus. Carers generally work 140 hours a week. At NMW that would be roughly £1000 a week (done in my head so rough)
Yes please. And can we have 5 weeks paid leave a year too.'

Ha ha. Necky bugger.

You can, but bear in mind it is wages for work... so you'll be inthe higher tax band.

It wouldn't be all roses I am afraid.

And how do you define indigenous people. Does it include 3rd or 4th generation black or Indian people?

I am 5% Neanderthal genes as I have freckles. We are all originally out of Africa. I had my DNA tracked back 25,000 years to the Caucacus mountains. We are all one people really.

'gabsid Sun 05-May-13 18:33:21

And how do you define indigenous people. Does it include 3rd or 4th generation black or Indian people?'

They are not indigenous to UK...

'1. Originating and living or occurring naturally in an area or environment. ' (thefreedictionary)

As they do not originate here, nor is it natural that they are here... unless you class the reasons they are here as natural.

Doesn't mean they should be any less welcome, or 2nd class citizens.

White Americans aren't indigenous to the USA either, nor white South Africans.

Of course, how far back do you go wit that? Most English White people are of Viking, Angle or Saxon stock...

'chibi Sun 05-May-13 17:32:40

i can't think of the adjective i want here, maybe someone can help me out but

We class your care as 'work' and pay you accordingly

in the context of £58.45/week

yowza.

accordingly, indeed'

Have you figured out the adjective you want yet?

Read LazarussLozenge Sun 05-May-13 17:46:31 first, at the very least.

Lazarus - your definition is non-sensical. So, most white British people may not be classed any more indigenous than black or Indians living here.

So, claims that the indigenous population will be in the minority in 50 years time seems absurd.

George83. As ever the voice of reason, i have read a lot of your posts on other subjects,and you put it across correctly. if you were to ask most people on this site do you like GRAMMAR SCHOOLS LOWER TAKES BETTER WAGES, 90% would say yes. Now that U.K.I.P have established themselves people will now start looking at U.K.I.P"S policies and will realize,most of them were written on the back of a"FAG PACKET" with no costing or anylsis and probaly would be rewritten next week. What the public has done has demonstrated that they are sick of being treated like 3yr olds,that the M.P.S know best and you are "KIDS" and that what we say is right. AND WHY IF YOU ARE NOT LEFT WING AND YOU LIKE IN THEORY SOME OF U.K.I.P"S POLICIES SHOULD YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE GREENS WHO OFFER YOU NOTHING.

I know Gabsid about Nazi Germany and understand your point but I don't think it is similar to the situation in the UK now. I think we are a tolerant nation.

gabsid... do i really need to explain that one to you?

I like the idea of fag packet manifestos... shows flexibility.

MPs should be people with similar morals and outlook, to represent your morals and outlook.

Not career politicos who ooze down the street with fancy manifestos that they may well ignore.

Yes, that's what I thought, until a nutty right wing party got 1/4 of votes and believe in Daily Mail propaganda.

alemci, germany before the nazis was where the european enlightenment began. Where jews were first given rights, where music, the arts, sciences and tolerance flourished. Prety fab place by all accounts.

Yes, but there was an anti semitic feeling in Europe and Hitler played on it.
Look at Wagner - charming.

I still don't think the UK compares.

Adam Adaafi? who is mixed race and a conservative MP was saying that Cameron does need to do something. e.g.compulsory healthcare insurance for newcomers

There's bubbling anti-semitism in the UK. Friend of mine recently had swastikas drawn all over his work locker. Jewish cemetries are reguarly vanadalised. But most of the racist ire right now is aimed at muslims.

Are UKIP right wing?

They could be edging in to libertarian.

It wasn't the anti semitic feeling Hitler played on, it was the fact that people had no jobs, that the economy was at its knees and that people didn't believe that the government was doing anything about it. Hitler offered solutions and a scape goat.

IP, DM reports 2005 as a jewish cemetry being vandalised... any links to a more modern UK Jewish cemetriy being vandalised?

Problem with swastikas on a locker, is it isn't necessarily anti-semitism. It is a known 'trigger' for many jews.

But UKIP's numbers are wrong, and according to stats many of the Daily Mail stories are not in line with reality. UKIP are offering more than they can possibly deliver.

It's very well dreaming about the ideal world, but ...

Just saw the last post and wanted to say that round here they have had to have security at some of the synagogues, bus station in v jewish area got vandalised with offensive grafitti + swastikas, saw on the local news recently (ish?) a bunch of kids from JFS got a load of anti-semetic abuse on a bus...

Oh what does this mean

"Problem with swastikas on a locker, is it isn't necessarily anti-semitism. It is a known 'trigger' for many jews."

Libertarian IS usually right wing, no? Libertarian is ultra-anti-regulation, for instance.

'But UKIP's numbers are wrong, and according to stats many of the Daily Mail stories are not in line with reality.'

While the first part is plausible, I find the second part hard to believe.

'UKIP are offering more than they can possibly deliver.'

But all parties do that. Gordon Brown said New Labour had ended boom and bust, and there followeed the biggest bust since the 1930s.

NiceTabard,

Basically the drawers of the swastikas may not actually understand what they are even drawing. They just know it may upset their target.

Bit like that rather dim woman from burnley who wrote in support of raoul moat... 'RIP raoul moat you legend'. She was thicker than a whale omlete.

You seriously think that people who draw swastikas on the property of jewish people don't know what they're doing?

That seems rather far fetched.

Strange to give the benefit of the doubt to people who do stuff like that.