Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

[chicaguapa]

I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

To those citing Nazi Germany.

Surely your posts are the reason why those voting for UKIP should be listened to.

By calling them racist and ignoring them it just makes the problem worse.

Again, please read this if you think voting UKIP is a good choice of protest vote (an overview of UKIP policies):

Voting UKIP Is Not a Protest, It?s an Own Goal

scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/voting-ukip-is-not-a-protest-its-an-own-goal/

Ttosca, posting the same link twice in a thread does seem rather desperate.

So given the circumstance I outlined earlier, who do you suggest I vote for? Or do you think I should exercise my democratic right to just stay home and shut up?

And could you please tell me more about the individual/organisation behind the blog? The "about" section is not exactly informative.

Ruby-

If you, like myself, don't want to vote for any of the three main neo-liberal parties, you could do better than voting UKIP.

Voting UKIP is like shooting yourself in the foot. I understand that a lot of people wanted to register a protest vote. I have at least as much contempt for the three main parties as anyone else.

But UKIP really is a foul organisation, and should they actually wield any power, would make the UK a nastier, provincial, reactionary place to live.

I would either vote Green, if you could, or spoil your ballot, or don't vote at all, and join protests instead.

ttosca...

I think you need to do better than that. Niel from the Young Ones could articulate a better explaination than that... while Vivian nailed his head to the floor.

Why are they foul?
how would they make UK nastier?
how would they make UK provincial?
how would they make UK reactionary?

You have the talking stick.

But all this UKIP is a foul organisation. It's all very well banding about these expressions. But how is it a foul organisation. So a quarter of voters voted for a foul organisation. this doesn't help.

I have not intention to vote Green.
And I will not spoil my ballot. I don't think a spoiled ballot is a stron ehough protest.

I do not lead a life where physical protest is possible, and I often disagree fundamentally with the organisations who organise the main protests and who automatically assume, that because you are against something you must be "for" thier own agenda. I will not have my dissent taken for acceptance of an equally unacceptable alternative.

no
and strong enough...

duchesse I agree, my DD (4) doesn't know many people from different cultures and recently we played in a park and she refused to join in a game with some black DC. She told me that she didn't want to play because she doesn't like balck DC!! I feel I have to expose her more and talk about stuff to change such thinking. DH best friend is black but unfortunately he lives 5 hours away.

To me UKIP voters seem a bit like that to me - its fear of the unknown.

wreckitralph so if you would lose your job and not find anything within 90 days does that mean then you'd return to the UK who'd have to provide for you despite you not having contributed for 16 years?

It's really illogical to deduct an entitlement just from the fact you've been born somewhere, rather than from contributing and being part of society.

Reasons:

• Mass immigration. London where I was brought up is unrecognisable. Also immigrants getting greater access to social housing (higher "points") and higher state expenditure like education (having lots of children).

-being controlled all the time, huge powers of the state in lots of areas, not just necessary and sensible ones. The thought police, the health police, political correctness, and so on.

-politicians lying and being opportunist (e.g. Labour and immigration, now backtracking madly of course, too late)

-EU deciding our national policies re. above, rather thank UK citizens themselves.

I can't see myself voting UKIP myself, but I really see why people do.

To be fair WW, I'd be upset if wreckitralph returned unemployed and just tapped in. Or should their medinsurance not cover them, they return and tap in to the NHS.

Social welfare should be based on a pay in, pay out scheme. ie NI payments are just that insurance. Don't keep up the payments, no longer covered.

Where are you wreckit? Bermuda?

wreckit - you said you paid 80K in tax per year, you must have an income to match then, e.g. be able to afford medical insurance. And you don't expect anything back for the tax you pay? What about people on a more average income, can they affored to work where you are or are they not wanted - until there are shortages of some sort. In any case, I think if you pay tax like everyone else you should be entitled to services like everyone else.

You say you have been there for 16 years I think. What about the cultural and social side of life. I assume that is your home now, you have family. What about your DC, is it the only home they have known? Are they entitled to anything? What is their identity? It just gets very fuzzy as you look a couple of years down they line.

I guess there's a difference between people who integrate in the country they chose to live and those who identify as "expats".

My one true wish is that when the borders open to Romanian and Bulgarian people next year, that millions come over- I caveat that though that they all come to do middle-class roles. I want teachers, social workers, middle managers and business owners. I want to see how quickly people's opinions change when it's THEIR jobs which are undercut and done for cheaper. When their standard of life is eroded.

'Social welfare should be based on a pay in, pay out scheme. ie NI payments are just that insurance. Don't keep up the payments, no longer covered.'

And if you cant?

You are expecting a lot of people then? Millions from Romania and Bulgaria? Well, a recent poll suggested that not many people would want to come to the UK, not unless they had a job sorted out beforehand, and their first choice of country to go to would be German and Italy anyway.

A very good friend of mine is Bulgarian, who I don't think is undercutting anyone's job, quite the opposite. She had to go through a lot of hussle because her employment contract was flawed and they were trying to pay her a 1/3 less than she should have been paid. By the way, she is a doctor and looking at our local hospital, it is full of foreign doctors - where are the British one's then?

Easiest way?

Work for benefits.

gabsid Sun 05-May-13 16:27:59

A very good friend of mine is Bulgarian, who I don't think is undercutting anyone's job, quite the opposite. She had to go through a lot of hussle because her employment contract was flawed and they were trying to pay her a 1/3 less than she should have been paid. By the way, she is a doctor and looking at our local hospital, it is full of foreign doctors - where are the British one's then?'

In Saudi on double what the NHS pay?

Going back a long way now.. just want to thank everyone who reassured me.

So why don't I feel happy?

Don't waste time on me; go read George Clare's book Last Waltz in Vienna. They thought they were not only at home but really at the centre of things, and it was all gone, all of it, in just a couple of weeks.

i think about this sieglinde

And if you cant?
Starve presumably. Because there are plenty of carers who are not in a position to work for their benefits. But if you posit that in this place you'll get shot down in flames. Even by people who provided a service for children with a disability. Apparently because they are yours/mine we should just get on with it and support them, be damned grateful for any help we do get and stop acting in such an entitled fashion.
It matters not whether or not you 'put into the pot' before children/partners/parents developed illnesses or disabilities.
Working for benefits is not an option for many, but people can find ways around that. Xenia once suggested plenty that I could do with the six hours broken rest I get in every twentyfour.

i tend to think that if there is work to be done it is worthy of being an actaul job, and paid at least the minimum wage

admittedly i am not a native british person so prone to holding deranged cultural values

Lazarus - no, here at the NHS/Uni