Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

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I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

Why would you feel uncomfortable to give up your EU citizenship?

Why are you unprepared to become a UK citizen?

Doesn't matter either way to me, but I am intrigued.

Lazarus- I regard Britain as my home, and want to stay, but giving up the right to live and work anywhere in a number of countries, including my home country is a big step, isn't it?

At the moment you and I both have the right to work anywhere in the EU. I don't think that the UK would do themselves any favours economically by leaving the EU, so going for the citizenship of the country, and by doing so removing the escape route to go somewhere else when the bonkers idea leads to even more economic disaster doesn't sound very clever to me.

Widow - I agree, I couldn't possibly give up the right to live in my home country, although I am very happy here, and, after 20 years, I would feel very out of place if I went back.

I didn't come here because life was better here or I hoped to get anything from the state. I simply came to improve my English and have an 'adventure' by living in London, going to clubs and meeting all sorts of new people. That's all and I am still here, not in London but nevertheless.

I travelled further afield too and worked in different countried which was an incredibly enriching experience and lots of fun. It would be wrong to stop that freedom of movement on so many levels.

Personally I think the EU has been the biggest clusterf*ck ever.

When it was much less intrusive it was fine, but now we have a much larger government making decisions for us. How much control does the citizen have?

The Euro was poorly executed to say the least.

How on earth some of the tinpot states managed to hitch on to the Euro wagon defies beleif.

You do realise that even if the UK were to leave the EU, anything a UK manufacturer would want to export to EU countries still would have to comply with EU regs, so by leaving you wouldn't stop the obligation of compliance, but only the UK having any say in drafting the regs? So you'd lose control rather than gain it.

They'd be unable to interfere with our legal or financial process.

We built stuff to foreign spec all the time.

well said impala.agree,agree,agree

I find it quite distressing to see how super powers such as Germany and Russia are slowly,subtly and in a more underhand,sly fashion are quietly achieving what hitler failed to do 70 years ago.
also sick of being accused of being racist for wanting to slow down immigration.
I see our once beautiful countryside being transformed into building sites and mini towns to try to cope with increasing numbers.
can someone please tell me why that makes me a rascist?

I am going to be honest and blunt and say that I simply don't understand how so many people in this country can go out and vote for UKIP. Their policies were outlined earlier in this thread and I honestly thought that would be it and end of thread as surely these are policies noone can actually support? What this country needs is obviously more immigration to water out a bit of the native population.

Hmmm.

The Mumsnet Police have deleted a previous post.

I'll try again.

Dawndonna. You don't seem to support the policy of UKIP to support congregated communities for those with learning disabilities.

The link in my post re camphill shows 25 such communities exst under that umbrella, I know of a further community. There appears to be more.

More importantly the practice seems to be supported by the Royal Mencap Society, who fund places at these locations.

So basically a current system based on charity and family payments is likely to be supported from central government.

You feel this is 'out of sight out of mind'.

Why?

The reexamination of community care seems to be in concert with organisations who know about that sort of thing. Which could mean an increase in such care or, admittedly, a decrease. But it means just that... re-examination, with support of experts in that field and no doubt treasury types. Because lets face it, if we can't afford the gold service you wont get it.

You haven't proven any point so far, as you haven't really made one.

What do feel is wrong with congregated communities? What do you know that RMS (and other specialists) have missed?

Oh, forgot a bit.
My experience of a congregated community was a concentration of various people (I can't say kids as some of them were physcally nearly 30) in a rural set home.

But of the 100 students, many lived in accommodation down town. They were often seen cutting about with a carer going about their daily business.

But they were 'out of sight' at the main building. The main building was set in a rural location (gifted i believe not bought by the establishment) and allowed them a fair bit of freedom to run, play, shoot arrows all sorts.

I was involved in helping them 'camp' out. We set up tents, had marshmellows and co co and lovely stew meal. Some were taken back to the their rooms, some slept in the tents... all of 20 meters from the actual building!

I thought it a fantastic set up. But places and time in this setting were limited by funds, most from donations.

Lazaruss

1. Of course you were deleted. You were rude, again.
2. You have made your disdain for people with disabilities very clear on other threads, in fact iirc, 'Kylite' was the word you chose to use.
3. I have no wish to engage with somebody who chooses not to believe evidence if it goes against their own world view. As I have said before, The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in comon. They don't alter their views to fit with the facts, their alter the facts to fit with their views. End of discussion.

PR/AV should be allowed in this country.

Case in point? This very scenario.

Let's assume a quite area is about to have a high speed raillink ploughed through it.

Current system. You have the big 3, greens, UKIP and a local independent dead set against th elink, as are most people in the area.

Will he win?

Course not. Herd mentality tells the voters to vote for who WILL get in, and hope they take note of their pleas. Some will vote knowing they are throwing away their vote on a 'unelectable protest' candidate.

PR/AV.

Wait. You can now vote for Local independant, and if he doesnt get in, your second vote can be for your favoured party...

This still wont get the LI in to power. The bigger parties know that he will get in, so adjust their policy to suit. The electorate get what they want.

And thus more may take part, we have the lowest turn outs ever at the moment.

UKIP is a huge protest vote, it is gaining momentum as people will realise to vote for UKIP is no longer a thrown away vote. UKIP MPs will be a reality soon.

You don't need a polished manifesto and a snakeoil salesman at the door.

You need a candidate that you beleive will do the right thing on a bad day, in line with your own views.

Can UKIP provide that? I don't know. If they can, I may vote for them.

Could it be that Dawndonna is an actual parent of disabled children and these large charities are generally run by non disabled people as businesses and not run by disabled people themselves? Just a guess. As a disabled person I wouldnt' touch half of them with a long pole. Too busy patting themselves on the head for their good deeds.

'Dawndonna Sun 05-May-13 11:39:36

Lazaruss

1. Of course you were deleted. You were rude, again.
2. You have made your disdain for people with disabilities very clear on other threads, in fact iirc, 'Kylite' was the word you chose to use.
3. I have no wish to engage with somebody who chooses not to believe evidence if it goes against their own world view. As I have said before, The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in comon. They don't alter their views to fit with the facts, their alter the facts to fit with their views. End of discussion.'

point 1. Yeah, probably. I did go beyond blunt and in to rude. Especially when I questioned your intellgence.

point 2. No I haven't, you just think I have. You misconstrued my point. As I said at the time, my comment was against those who excuse bad behaviour as a condition, that is not statemented.

I react similarly to people who claim their inability to spell, use grammar or what not is 'dyslexia' despite making no effort to find out or they are not statemented. My wife is dyslexic by the way (and statemented).

Kylite fits the naugty kids masquarading under teh umbrella of condition quite nicely.

point 3... you're just as guilty of discarding non-conforming evidence as anyone else.

If you have a credible arguement to my above points about congregational communities please put them forward. I am sure others on here would be interested, even if you don't talk to myself.

'infamouspoo Sun 05-May-13 11:44:37

Could it be that Dawndonna is an actual parent of disabled children and these large charities are generally run by non disabled people as businesses and not run by disabled people themselves? Just a guess. As a disabled person I wouldnt' touch half of them with a long pole. Too busy patting themselves on the head for their good deeds.'

Could be. Who knows.

urtwisting - ... what Hitler failed to do 70 years ago ...

Well, he had a good try, didn't he. Similarly, a lot of people didn't believe in the governement at the time, so they voted for a small outsider to hopefully sort things out, e.g. high unemployment, inflation etc. The Nazi party never actually won an election and were banned at one point, but right wing parties always seem popular when other things fail. Then they picked on Jews as the sole problem - just propaganda, a bit like Daily Mail style, as there were actually just 500,000 jews in Germany at the time, 1% of the population.

Besides, Angela Merkel doesn't want to take over or invade anyone, she wants to tell everyone what to do.

Typical woman then

gabsid,

The Nazis won elections. Like the situation in UK now, they didn't win the election outright (in this case the federal (general) election) but formed a coalliton.. then malleted their bedfellows.

Well, they got 36% and 33%, it wasn't a win.

This is what I think best represents UKIP : Little Britain and the League of Gentlemen. I think they are an embarrassment to our nation. They are small-minded, reactionary people whose values we ought as a mature democracy to be leaving behind. They promise an easy fix to complex economic issues.

We would all do well to learn lessons from history: Hitler was not voted into power by promising to kill 4 million people and invade the rest of Europe. No, he promised an easy fix to complex economic problems.

Becoming inward-looking and nationalistic is not the solution to what is a global problem. However much this government rants about "appalling economic legacies left by the last government", I bet they are incredibly glad not to have been the ones in power when it all went tits up.

duchesse, why do you think tony hospital passed to gordon?

Nobody wanted to be leader when that mess unfolded, despite it being obvious for some time it was going to go off.