Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

[chicaguapa]

I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

WidowWadman

You are being disingenuous again, i asked a question of you which you answered as though i made an accusation.

Firstly, fair is neither here nor there. Lots of things in life are not fair and never will be. I think we should aim for being reasonable, all things considered.

And yes, I think it is reasonable that someone should work for an amount of time before being able to claim benefits.

I forgot, the institutionalisation of those with disabilities and mental illness and the sense of fading Imperialism.

jaywall - there's nothing in their manifesto about being able to claim benefits after working for an amount of time. It's citizenship or nothing, no matter how long you've paid into the system.

And they want to remove the right to benefits from those who've paid in for 7 (seven) years without being citizens of the UK, but citizens of EEA states with which the UK has reciprocal agreements.

Well done pickled, you've portrayed your opinion of what was wrong with the '50s as if it were the UKIP manifesto...

Does any of that appear in the manifesto? Is there a 'back to kitchen, woman' clause? Or a reversal of the marital rape laws?

No, there isn't is there.

Pickledginger

Its ridiculous strawman arguments such as this that reduce debate. If you want this thread all to yourself then fine, carry on.
The debate will carry on elsewhere.

Point proven.

WidowWadman

Citizenship could be gained after time and meeting certain criteria. And yes, they would be breaking with many EU agreements.

I am in principle in agreement with this.

I refer you back to the hefty fee which comes attached to citizenship, which makes it not that easy to obtain it, even if you tick all of the other boxes.

Dawndonna,

They wish to revisit it. Nothing is set in stone.

next ?

Also, thinking about it - if I gave up my EU memberstate citizenship in favour of UK citizenship if UKIPs policies came into force - I'd lose the freedom of movement I currently have, which allows me to work in any EU member state.

That's not overly appealing, to be honest.

WidowWadman

If after working here for 7 years you cannot afford £1000 for citizenship then maybe you should accept it is not for you?

I agree with this policy, you obviously feel it is harsh as it affects you directly but maybe you could have set aside £2.75 a week for those 7 years to be able to cover this.

So you're basically saying that entitlement should have nothing to do with how much you've contributed over a length of time, but ability or willingness to pay an extra random fee on top of it.

What I find absolutely fascinating about this is the fact that people, because they are on the internet, express beliefs in such an enormously rude, belligerent and bullying fashion. Things they would neither dare nor consider doing if they were face to face.
Next?

Dandonna,
I would happily meet you and/or others to talk about this, i think you might be disappointed though as i am no expert just a normal person who has decided to vote ukip and read a little bit about it.

I also think you are mistaking rudeness for honesty and a little bit of exasperation at comments such as pickledginger's. Have a look at those for belligerent bullying!

WidowWadman

In your instance, no. If it were set out before you came here then yes.

They are a small party so the expense of formulating such policies is probably high enough to mean their policies are a bit fuzzy at this time.

Then they are not a fit party to govern. By all means sling them a few protest votes, in local elections. No-one much minds about public loos in any event. But really, there is no point in voting for them in a proper election.

Wuldric,

Nice ! Local government makes a multitude of decisions that would affect you and yours in your daily lives. They are proper elections. And the people that voted for them are real too, with their own opinions and thoughts.

No, I don't think that local governments do make many decisions that affect me and mine. They honestly don't. I did not make that comment to belittle local government by the way. It was just to illustrate that you cannot vote for a party that has no policies in a general election. You do not know what you are voting for. They are a muddled bunch of dislikes. All I know about them is that they don't like Europe. They cannot be said to have a coherent economic policy. They exist only for people to make a protest vote. Which is fine in elections that do not matter. Less fine in a general election - who wants to take a Lucky Dip in a general election? Will this party bankrupt the state or not? Who knows?

Wuldric,

Local government make many decisions that affect whether you realise that or not.

As for UKIP's policies, they have many and they can all be seen quite clearly on their website. In fact they have more clearly laid out policy information on their website than the Labour Party.

You don't like them which is fine, vote for someone else. Thats the benefit of democracy. But you should consider whether just calling them names and belittling them without knowing anything about what you are talking about is the best way to get your opinions across.

If you really want a lucky dip, vote Labour or LibDem or Conservative, they have all shouted about policies before the election that disappeared into oblivion once they won power. So having the minutiae of every policy available years before the election might be the be all and end all of nothing much at all.

I have a great aunt aged 85 who is a UKIP member. Immigration, law and order and, er, 'non-native species' of insects in her garden and the legitimacy of killing them seem to be key factors. She is very bright and switched on, plus she is as mad as a box of frogs.

Wuldric,

You're a little off the mark there. You'll find a number of parties have fuzzy edges to their policies.

If you read the UKIP medical/care policy you'll find a set of binding principles. It doesn't mean they are unfit to govern.

Name a party at the moment you feel IS fit to govern?

'WidowWadman Sat 04-May-13 23:36:46

Also, thinking about it - if I gave up my EU memberstate citizenship in favour of UK citizenship if UKIPs policies came into force - I'd lose the freedom of movement I currently have, which allows me to work in any EU member state.'

So you are here in UK because...

I've had a fair bit of sympathy so far with your plight, but this comment seems to mean you are just here because it suits you to date. You'll pop off somewhere else if you feel like it.

Britain isn't a hotel. Is it lack of £1,000 that has stopped you becoming a citizen, or that you wish to have your cake and eat it?

If you stay in a hotel, you don't get tenants rights do you?

jaywall People are bullied all the time here on MN. Look at some of the posts in the past( in politics, and other topics, even on breastfeeding! according to Amanda Holden, haven't read it though)t. If you say you vote UKIP you will get a barrage of name calling abuse, all of course most would not dare to say to you on the street......Well they would not say it to me!

I would feel very uncomfortable and simply would not be prepared to give up EU memberrstate citizenship in favour of UK citizenship. As a EU citizen I have never been bothered to get UK citizenship and would certainly not pay £1000 for it.

I have been here for 20 years worked and as an MFL teacher certainly haven't taken anyone's job here. DH is British, DC are not but I wanted it that way. We are happy as we are, a multi-cultural and bi-lingual family. I don't plan to leave. I/we have never relied on the state and paid our taxes.

I find all this UKIP nonsese rather irritating and more so that 1/4 of the people in my area voted for them.