Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

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I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

the other parties (who do have a larger share of the vote) are watching, and listening, and will be amending their policies accordingly.

the uk will not be led by nigel farage, but it will be led by people who follow his stance on immigrants and immigration.

fair enough, that's how democracy works. i am glad that people will feel listened to.

i am unsettled to say the least. oh well.

The phrases on the lat page were from this. From 1960.

Too be honest things I think Chibi has more valid 'fears' than you if UKIP were to come to power.

" i am glad that people will feel listened to."

Chibi, that's pretty much all I want.

Don't, by the way,right off our sense of fair play. I would defend your personal safety to the detriment of my own.

I am not, I think, alone in this.

All discrimination and prejudice has it's roots in seeing people not as individuals but as part of some greater group; some homogenous mass.

I do wonder if 25% of the people who vote for UKIP have actually read their policies in detail and realise how their everyday lives would be affected.

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Bolly, agreed. A lot of it is suspect. Some of it is just weird. This has been a very big protest vote, I think. The Lib Dems, normally the recipient of these votes, are a toxic brand, indistinguishable from the Tories in many ways.

Another vote for a genuine, non mad, 3rd way in British politics.

"I do wonder if 25% of the people who vote for UKIP have actually read their policies in detail and realise how their everyday lives would be affected"

I am sure those who voted Ukip read their policies with the same attention as those who voted for every other party.

And I don't think there are now going to be pogroms etc, the UK is one of the most tolerant countries going - this was a protest vote on a whole number of levels.

I live in an area with a very large Eastern European population. The impact? I have an amazing hairdresser. If my car goes funny I don't fret because there's a reliable local garage that will make time for emergencies. The local schools OFSTED reports have improved over the last few years, particularly in behaviour though the Catholic one is very full, largely because 15 years ago it was struggling to find Catholic children to fill it and it now it has had to expand to meet demand. The supermarkets have an extra section with nice pickles. And I have noticed more lovely tall young men around.

The funds local authorities receive from central government have been slashed while, at the same time, they've been prevented from raising council tax. Services have been cut because spending has been cut. If those born overseas weren't here working and paying their taxes there would be even less funding available.

things Agreed.

I live in an area with a very large Eastern European population. The impact? I have an amazing hairdresser.

lazy I get the protest vote mentality but what if in the future a party like UKIP really did have control.

Unfortunately one impact of the changes in local population has been for a particular pub in a very part of the nearby town to become the haunt of the BNP or whatever they're calling themselves now. It has English flags in the windows and 'proud to be English' banners. It's always got people standing outside smoking, from the time it opens on a Monday morning. While the people they object to are busy working.

There has been some weird shit on this thread about the impact of immigration - and much more, even weirder, shit on social media and in the papers.

There's no evidence that immigration places a burden on the UK economy.
It is not easy to wangle benefits as a new arrival here, neither is it easy in other European countries. There are reciprocal agreements but they're complicated. That business about overseas child benefit affected a very small number of families, and there are English parents benefiting from the reverse situation overseas.

Those Eastern European immigrants who make it into the papers with their lavish benefits lifestyles - you know those are fake, don't you? I posted links to the online portfolios of the actresses paid by the Sun and Mail to appear in them.

The idea that immigration caused house price hikes in Brixton hardly bears a mention, but I'm still reeling from that so here goes! Brixton has gone up because it's trendy and has fantastic transport links both into and out of town. It's only 6 miles to Westminster, a cheap cab and I walked it often enough when I lived there.

The agricultural market town where I live now, by contrast, is frantically building houses to try and attract more people in - this is despite a huge influx of Eastern Euro farm workers - and you can easily buy a nice 3-bed semi for under £150k, in fact you'd be spoilt for choice. This town is dying on its feet for lack of residents, has been for ages, and the countryside echoes with lonely sheep. England is not fucking overcrowded.

Voting for UKIP is not simply a matter of voting against immigration. They are using this hot topic as a way to ensnare voters. Hopefully people will read a little bit more about them and vote elsewhere. Tactical or otherwise it's dangerous to put power into the hands of bigots. I agree wreckit there are better ways of dealing with the issues of immigration and how it may affect certain aspects within a country, there are also better ways of talking about it,but if you were part of the hot topic I think it would bother you. This is what people do not seem to understand. It's all very well saying 'oh this won't happen or it's you are just worrying about something which may not happen etc etc...' But if it involves something close to your heart whether it is that you may be an immigrant or gay or a woman it matters not but when you are the subject of a policy which may affect you or your children in the future you do worry and at times take action. It is how change happens and progress is achieved.

I'd really be interested to see any evidence of this negative stuff that immigration is supposed to be bringing. The differences here are, as I said, seeing extra stuff in the supermarket and hearing Polish spoken.

I grew up in an area with a Polish club, a throw back to post war immigration and went to school with DC with Polish surnames. Now, many years later, there are more people with Polish surnames. It makes bugger all difference to my life.

I would like a referrendum on Europe.

NOW.

Not in a few years, but NOW. ASAP

I'm fed up with spin...and soon....and maybe and a "commitment after the next GE"

I want one of the main parties to nail its colours to the mast and offer that.

In the mean-time I will not vote for :
a) A bunch of corrupt, lying toe-rags who have erroded our personal freedoms, created unworkable statutes, got rid of habeus corpus and, to a certain extent, trial by jury; b0rked our education syststem, and dragged us into an illegal war costing billions of pounds and countless lives. Nor will I vote for their successors who have about as much empathy for and understanding of the British WORKING class as a brain-damaged guinea pig.

b) The current bunch. (Who I thought might at least have some good ideas about inspiring and supporting ordinary small start-up businesses to help create more employment and liquidity within our stagnant economy).

c) The mealy-mouthed, smug Lib-Dems who won't even begin to listen to the desire of a large number of the British on the subject of a European referrendum. Which is a shame because I've always been a bit of a "left-of-centre" leaner. (Like all Pro-Europeans they don't want a referrendum because they are afraid of the outcome.)

d) The Greens. Unworkable, expensive (proabably well meaning) Communism lite. By the back door. (And yes, I did read the manifesto).

I did not have a vote the other day. But as you see, I'm disenfranchised, hopping mad and utterly frustrated with the current attitude of all the major parties.

The only issue that seems to differentiate the parties to any great extent is that of Europe. The only party willing to translate my vote into an outraged protest, "two-fingers-up to the current-system" is UKIP.

I don't want them in power for many of the reasons listed above. But I do want my voice to be heard. So unless the other parties start listening, I may well vote for them next time.

Well said Ruby Gates! I could have wrote that myself.
I am utterly fed up and hopping mad with the smug shower of shit career politicians that pollute parliament.

But as a dual national daughter of immigrants, with a mixed race DP, mixed race DD and mixed race DSD could I possibly vote for UKIP?

Damn right I will and so will DP!

I stand guilty of a thoughtcrime! Newspeaker's can go screw themselves!

Where I live UKIP has done very well, especially in rural areas where in some they have actually won! These areas are pretty much populated by white British people.

Our city has a bit more variety and cultural mix, but still very few immigrants but UKIP didn't get a foot in there at all, they only did well in the more deprived areas of the city.

I feel horrified to think that they have a real chance to win an election. And I can't help seeing similarities to what happened in Europe in the 1930s.

Gabs they have fuck all chance of wining the election. In a mid-term council election (notorious for protest votes) held mostly in right-leaning leafy shires, they couldn't take control of a single council.

Even if the share and pattern of voting was replicated in a general election (which is unlikely as protest voters tend to 'go home' in general elections ) they will not win a single seat.

They are irritating rather than dangerous, unless you are a Tory MP in a marginal seat.

pickledginger
"All discrimination and prejudice has it's roots in seeing people not as individuals but as part of some greater group; some homogenous mass."

You mean like classing 25% of voters racist?

Farage knows and has said they won't win a general election but the views of those who are in favour of their liberatarian and flat tax policies may well be taken more into account because of the support they have had and that is no bad thing. It is in fact democracy and how it works.