Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

[chicaguapa]

I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

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My personal reasons for not voting for them, alongside the obvious, those of allowing fox hunting, marginalising gay people, eliminating disabled people ( yes apparently UKIP sacked the person who said babies with Downs Syndrome and Spina Bifida should be aborted, but he obviously felt he was on the right platform to publicly announce such a 'radical' opinion)

Primarily I feel angry about this- in one of their policies they bang on and on and on about how small businesses and people who are self employed are literally the backbone of society and UKIP want to support them etc. I agree, but what about people,who are not 'British' enough on the eyes of UKIP? They will no longer have the same rights yet many of these (actually they are British) people have contributed and worked hard all their lives to build up small companies and businesses which are apparently extremely important to our economic society. Will they have to leave? Or sign in and out of the country as UKIP are suggesting as a process for 'Non' British people? What about children of dual heritage and multi cultural families? Are they going to be no longer important?

'UKIP would legislate to ensure the scope of claims which can be heard by tribunals will be greatly reduced. In particular, limits on unfair dismissal and discrimination claims will be re-instated and no unfair dismissals or discrimination claims would be admitted by the Tribunals in respect of employees with less than two years' continuous employment'

Also the above proposal taken from the UKIP site- Does this not allow less than respectable employers to take people on, abuse them and then dismiss them before they have been employed for the allotted time in which they may make a complaint. Bear in mind women are one of the key groups who suffer unfair dismissal and discrimination in the work place and this very legislation was introduced to protect them. As was maternity pay and employment rights which again UKIP want to abolish. And yes I have noted that as a result of the above changes they will pay a flat rate of up to £64 a week to women who 'decide' to stay home and bring up their own children. Surely removing long fought for rights is actually removing continuous employment rights for women and dictating their futures?

UKIP has a general policy of freeing employers from burdens which are not to do with their job of creating value and in particular do not apply to our international competitors. UKIP proposes:

And this- again taken from the UKIP website...

UKIP has a general policy of freeing employers from burdens which are not to do with their job of creating value and in particular do not apply to our international competitors. UKIP proposes:
'a) To amend the Race Relations Amendment Act (2000) so that it is much less intrusive into the affairs of companies and organisations, in particular, by removing the need to positively promote ?diversity? in the workforce which many see as divisive. The Employment Equality (Religion or Belief) Regulations (2003) and the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations (2003), which each implement EC directives imposing duties on employers to positively promote social engineering policies, will be repealed as a natural consequence of leaving the EU. Contract compliance as practised by the Greater London Assembly, for example, will be outlawed. UKIP will oppose measures in the ?Equality? Bill to force employers in the public sector to discriminate against the indigenous male population and to apply contract compliance to enforce such treatment on staff in private firms bidding for public sector contracts.'

Diversity in the workplace which many see as divisive? Who are the many of which UKIP speak? Diversity is the key to a less stagnant society and without it would be elitist and possibly with more sinister connotations. To my mind UKIP are a party not shy in going backwards.

My personal political stance is a constant source of frustration to me. I can't find anyone I feel who represents me. I am a 40 year old white, British woman who is a SAHM and has a career. I have a gay child and a multicultural family. Anyone else on here care to set up a new party??? Lots of gin,wine and bun fighting is a given.

"there are complex problems. They pack into houses like sardines. Our Public Health Department has had to be augmented to cope with the problem. And we still have 1,100 on our housing list."
"In our schools the language problem is acute. English children are being held back."
"Our maternity wards are overflowing with foreign mums"
"There is no malice or bias in our refusal"
"It's for their good, too, that we cannot allow services to be overstrained and collapse."

So, stuff like that ^ is why people vote UKIP?

Basically if you enjoy smoking, foxhunting, washing up and being chained to the kitchen sink, are not gay, disabled or have any kind of special needs, are not from another country (gasp!) and hark back to a good old England (which you never actually lived in) then vote UKIP!

'I have absolutely no problem with these people,per se'

Sigh. You see. It really is impossible to have a discourse on this subject.

For just one,one little time, could people take a statement at its face value.

Conterary to what the snarkier people in the world believe, some of us actually mean exactly what we say.

"So why do you think the social housing would be occupied by migrant workers, if they're already privately renting?"

The two are mutually exclusive? Some" natives" also occupy social housing, and some rent privately, surely. Why should this be any different for migrants,if they fulfill the criteria. btw - I don't "think" migrant workers in my town occupy social housing - I know.

this is what makes this kind of scary- people totally mean what they say. i have been reading this thread and others, and i haven't read much reassuring stuff. my fellow citizens have a low opinion of people like me. they are not shy about sharing it.

for all that people claim that you aren't allowed to say anything bad about immigration, i can't say as how that has stopped them doing so anyway. my 10+ years here have seen a near constant stream of media stories about how, in essence, people like me are ruining everything in the country.

i guess all this rhetoric looks different when the sharp end is pointing at you

I do not feel represented as I stated above but I would never vote UKIP merely for the fact that they are clearly sexist, homophobic and will marginalise vulnerable people whatever their race.

Precisely chibi. Racism and homophobia scares the shit out of me.

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"i guess all this rhetoric looks different when the sharp end is pointing at you"

Actually, in my community, people feel that the sharp end is pointing at them. Not saying that is right. But that is how they feel.

Will it ever be possible to discuss immigration, and the impact of immigration as the seperate issues I see them as ?

"Racism and homophobia scares the shit out of me."

Me too, Bolly, and I'm a nasty right leaning confused bloke.

"Wallison reducing the whole debate to 'UKIP voters are all racists and that?s all there is to it' isn't even an interesting discussion let alone a political reality"

Tsk Tiggy, she is demonstrating the tolerance, intelligence and rational reasoning the far left is justly famed for :)

I suspect by next week the Labour Party will have adjusted it's position enough to be "racist" in her view.....

Immigration can easily be discussed without connotations of racism. It is how we discuss it and with what attitude to the future which is important.

Why are you Nasty,things? Who thinks you are?

discuss away. i really don't think people want to discuss with immigrants so much as they want to talk about them.

again, people in your town will now have politicians falling all over themselves to cater to their fears. good for them, that's democracy.

i have yet to see anything here to make me think that life is not going to get mire unpleasant and difficult for myself and people like me. instead, i am kind of worried.

That's my point chibi, UKIP want to do away with diversity,they are not open to discussion. It's a shame immigration and immigrants are blamed for problems which are not their fault.

" to cater to their fears"

A little bit patronising, Chibi. These are not fears, they are our reality.

To many people, it seems like the whole of the apparatus of the state has been designed to "cater to your fears".

But if I have offended you, I apologise. It was not my intention.

i already know why they voted as they did. if it were anything other than immigration (and the eu, and marriage for gay people) there would have been a similar surge in votes for other parties like the greens, or independents.

there weren't.

the three big parties will fall all over themselves to adopt policies to sway this group of the electorate toward their parties. as they no doubt should that's how democracy works.

it is probably selfish of me to be so concerned about my own happiness and wellbeing. sorry. i can't help it. i worry about what this will mean for me and my family.

i feel like no one is ever going to listen to my fears, because right now giving a toss about (or even listening to)the concerns of an immigrant is not a vote winner.

i am a citizen too. it probably won't matter though.

"Immigration can easily be discussed without connotations of racism"

I really wish it could. BUT. It seems that if you seek to ask questions about the impact of immigration, you are deemed to be a racist, by some.

"i feel like no one is ever going to listen to my fears"

Chibi, how did things ever get so fucked up that we can both feel that way ?

so which party can i vote for which has as part of their manifesto that i am not a scrounging scumbag who is wrecking the country?

you have a choice of parties to vote for who have as their platform that immigrants are bad for britain.

you are worried about being called a racist.

i am worried about personal safety.

i would quite gladly trade places. i can't.

i guess i can just hope for the best and trust in the famous british sense of fair play.

I don't think some people on this thread have yet grasped the size of this - 25% of the vote, from near nothing. That is huge, it's going to be a game changer in British politics for quite a few years.

I wonder what the LibDems will do, this must be a massive blow to them.