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Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

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chicaguapa · 03/05/2013 07:44

I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

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RubyGates · 04/05/2013 08:26

PS, I probably wouldn't vote for them if I didn't live somewhere where a "pig in a red rosette" is the most likely candidate to be elected.

Midlifecrisisarefun · 04/05/2013 08:27

Does anyone seriously think there aren't bigots/racists/ignorant people in the main parties either. My son dated a girl from a second generation immigrant family, HE was subjected to vile abuse from her family and in particular her mother....she was a labour councillor...Hmm

gabsid · 04/05/2013 08:30

Boney - I am not sure what else I could call those 25% of voters and even more in some of our rural white British areas where you can count immigrants on one hand. I am not sure they even qualify to have an opinion on immigration.

outtolunchagain · 04/05/2013 08:32

Having read their manifesto I cannot believe that any woman would vote for UKIP , they want a return to the 1950s and women chained to the kitchen sink.

They want grammar schools and a privatised nHS and the removal of the right to maternity leave .

The most depressing part of this whole event is the fact that time and again people who have voted for UKIP have, when asked why on TV,radio in newspapers and on forums like these ,shown that they have no idea what they have voted for ,they haven't read the manifesto ,quite often they have voted for the complete opposite of what they thought .Shock

ComposHat · 04/05/2013 08:33

Xenia

As much as they would like to affect a massive transfer from poor to wealthy, I'm sure even Dave n' Gideon would be stupid enough to implement a flat tax policy, it would be electoral suicide. Poll Tax 2.0 and then some.

I'd love to seem them try selling that to the vast majority (who are basic rate tax payers) 'Right plebs, we are going to whack your income tax contributions right up, so that we can give an even bigger tax cut to our millionaire chums.'

UKIP aren't a libertarian party, their views on gay marriage being an absolute case in point. Surely personal liberty involves marrying a person of your own choosing and it should be no business of the state? They are a nasty, opportunist hardline right wing party.

If the Tories do try to lurch to the right to attract UKIP defectors they will risk alienating centrist floating voters. They'd also end up out of power faster than they thought, as their coalition partners wouldn't wear it.

gabsid · 04/05/2013 08:35

I agree, but what people saw and what I saw was big posters advertising 'immigration, enough is enough' or something like that. I had to laugh looking around me not having seen a single immigrant for ages.

WidowWadman · 04/05/2013 08:48

"The two are mutually exclusive? Some" natives" also occupy social housing, and some rent privately, surely. Why should this be any different for migrants,if they fulfill the criteria. btw - I don't "think" migrant workers in my town occupy social housing - I know."

I thought your council doesn't collect nor share data about the provenance of its tennants, so how do you know?

As it is, the idea of migrants being handed the keys to a council house as soon as they arrive are a myth.

If from the EU you're normally entitled to funds from your home country to seek a job, if you haven't found anything in that time, funding stops and you have to return. Private rental is the norm for migrant workers.

BoneyBackJefferson · 04/05/2013 08:58

gabsid
"I am not sure they even qualify to have an opinion on immigration."

That in itself is a scary view.

LazarussLozenge · 04/05/2013 09:10

'outtolunchagain Sat 04-May-13 08:32:17

Having read their manifesto I cannot believe that any woman would vote for UKIP , they want a return to the 1950s and women chained to the kitchen sink.'

They don't actually though do they... Or you'd be able to provide a reference. Can you do that?

lljkk · 04/05/2013 09:10

"two-fingers-up to the current-system" is UKIP

Sounds familiar. Friend who has been canvassing on doorsteps assessed all the UKIP voters he met as "miserable". Not miserable poor or miserable depressed just superduper miserable negative about everything. Better described as the "disenchanted with everything" party rather than believing in anything.

I don't understand people who prefer to be defined by what they don't believe in rather than what they do endorse. It's like the ultimate in culture of resentment.

LazarussLozenge · 04/05/2013 09:20

'RubyGates Sat 04-May-13 06:19:07

I did not have a vote the other day. But as you see, I'm disenfranchised, hopping mad and utterly frustrated with the current attitude of all the major parties.'

Why didn't you vote? Was it because you don't feel that you actually have a choice? Or was it because you felt that if you did vote it wouldn't matter (ie you would vote for a independent).

Would the AV system, mooted a few years back) have made any difference to your choice?

claig · 04/05/2013 09:22

'Friend who has been canvassing on doorsteps assessed all the UKIP voters he met as "miserable".'

Well Nigel Farage doesn't look miserable as he smiles and enjoys his numerous pints in hostelries and drinking dens throughout the land.

The taxi driver shown on TV who made a thumbs up sign and shouted "Go on, Nigel" didn't look miserable.

The people I saw at the polling booths didn't look miserable.

The only people who look miserable are the politicos in other parties who have got the message that 25% of the voters are fed up with them and the fact that they don't represent the people.

WidowWadman · 04/05/2013 09:24

Lazarus she said she didn't have a vote - that sounds to me as if she didn't vote because she isn't allowed to.

claig · 04/05/2013 09:24

' It's like the ultimate in culture of resentment.'

The only "culture of resentment" that I can see is from the sore losers who disrespect the people and disrespect democracy and the voice of the tens of thousands of people who made an effort to vote and have their voice heard.

Lazyjaney · 04/05/2013 09:24

"I don't understand people who prefer to be defined by what they don't believe in rather than what they do endorse. It's like the ultimate in culture of resentment"

If you endorse any of the main parties you are supporting career politicians whose only belief is personal expediency.

Hence UKIP

LazarussLozenge · 04/05/2013 09:24

'lljkk Sat 04-May-13 09:10:49

Sounds familiar. Friend who has been canvassing on doorsteps assessed all the UKIP voters he met as "miserable". Not miserable poor or miserable depressed just superduper miserable negative about everything. Better described as the "disenchanted with everything" party rather than believing in anything.

I don't understand people who prefer to be defined by what they don't believe in rather than what they do endorse. It's like the ultimate in culture of resentment.'

Why is it resentment? They know what they would like to be done by the party they vote for and thus they vote for a part that promises to do it.

Perhaps for too long the current 'big 3' have enjoyed automatic voters, programmed by years of such support (say from family), but now they have overstepped the mark a little.

Took the default support for granted, and not actually listened to what people are asking.

Case in point. Selling of our gold at a stupidly low price, in the imost inefficient way. Allowing complete wastes of money such as the Welsh and Scottish assembly, etc.

claig · 04/05/2013 09:27

'Would the AV system, mooted a few years back) have made any difference to your choice?'

Yes we need an AV system and an even better proportional system than that. We need Farage on the leadership TV debate and we need a democratic fair voting system.

The stitch-up two party system does not reflect the true will of the people.

LazarussLozenge · 04/05/2013 09:33

Very few citizens of this sceptered Isle are not allowed the vote.

Maybe they are under 18... unless they are incapable of voting or a criminal.

claig · 04/05/2013 09:33

If you add the votes of Tories and UKIP together, you get approx 48%, while Labour and the LibDems together made up about 43%.

But even though, the right is the majority, some of the flint-faced former communists may get back into power and be able to continue to wreck the country and its liberties due to our first past the post system that does not reflect the will of the people.

RubyGates · 04/05/2013 09:35

Lazzarus, I didn't vote because we didnt have any elections in our area.

And I've explained why I wouldn't and couldn't vote for any of the major parties in the future, unless they change their stance on many core issues and a European Referrendum in particular.

In many ways I am politically defined by an abscence. A void, a dark shadow of the political soul, if you will.

claig · 04/05/2013 09:38

'A void, a dark shadow of the political soul, if you will.'

Are you referring to New Labour? If so, I am in agreement with you.

RubyGates · 04/05/2013 09:39

The political system in general. New Labour in particular yes.

claig · 04/05/2013 09:40

Got you, and am with you on New Labour in particular. Wink

ElenorRigby · 04/05/2013 09:43

The Labour Party died with John Smith.

gabsid · 04/05/2013 09:44

If I had voted to protest I would have voted for the greens, but never a right-wing party.