Justice for Men and Boys - Isn't this exactly why we need feminism

[wickeddevil]

Heard Justice for Men and Boys Founder Mike Buccanan on Womens Hour earlier today complaining that men pay 72% of all income tax.
Well isn't that because they have more income?

And instead of complaining about the feminist agenda doesn't it demonstrate why we need it?

Vadark - my DH has absolutely no interest in Men's Rights, unfortunately that's typical for loads of men I think, but even he thought that video was pretty compelling.

Is there something bad about girls and womens empowerment, SF? To not be sexually abused, assaulted, trafficked, over-represented in poverty, under-represented in any positions of political power, to be left without financial support for their children et al. Is this so bad?

The empowerment aspect comes from knowing you can be President. Boys don't ever have to question that which is the empowering bit that girls don't have.

oh come on. When a video relies on The Two Ronnies, the DM and a massively discreditted bullshitter about female sexual offending it's surely time to review your sources and make them a little bit more believable?

Vadark: a reminder, as they are now so many pages back, of Seeker's very straightforward questions. I've been lurking in the (apparently vain hope) you are going to answer.

You've been complaining that posters don't listen. Posters are all ears to hear your answers to these questions. They are straightforward and logical questions to which you seem unable to give a straightforward and logical answers.

Instead, you seem to be engaged in some sort of displacement activity or exercise in obfuscation in the hope (probably to be realised) that we all lose the will to live and forget what the questions are.

Just answer the questions.

Probably not because for every page 3 girl in the Sun there is probably another 5 beefy, stripped-to-the-waste guys in the rest of the paper. It's just that us guys are supposed to live with that.

You're not actually serious?

Well they're British, CoalDW..but thanks, and the music was cool...but I wasn't talking about Beyonce's daughter being told she could be president (although she probably will be at some point!).

The video (I'll search for it) is about empowering women to be anything. Boys don't get that. Feminists say, ah boy's they don't need it, they'll succeed purely because the world is set up to make them succeed.

They must squeeze their eyes really tight shut when they walk past youths stood outside job centres, or pissed outside pubs at 10 in the morning, or homeless, or doing shit menial jobs.

Here's a thing - go into any newsagent tomorrow and without touching a page, see how many photos of women in little clothing/'sexual poses' you see, compared with the number of men in those images. And count them.

Yes there is youth unemployment, male and female. Is that women's fault? Or that they maybe pissed at 10 in the morning outside pubs ? Or homeless?

'Is there something bad about girls and womens empowerment, SF? To not be sexually abused, assaulted, trafficked, over-represented in poverty, under-represented in any positions of political power, to be left without financial support for their children et al. Is this so bad?'

Nope.

Is there something bad about boys and mens empowerment Pan? To not be sexually abused, assaulted, trafficked, over-represented in poverty, to not be screwed for every penny for a child you can't see, for funding for healthcare to be fairly distributed etc. Is this so bad?

"Pictures of men, oiled or otherwise, aren't on Page 3."

No, they're on the front covers of mags on the low shelves of WHSmiths. Go look for yourself.

"Mens chests on display are not the same as breasts. There isn't the same sexual element to it."

Really? I could show you a thousand links like this with thousands of comments from females like: phoar and yum and tasty and I want to shag him now etc. etc. It's everywhere and it's a double standard.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2229191/Tim-Howard-Everton-strip-calendar.html

"Penises on tv ? Really ? Not unless you go looking and rarely erect. "

So you're not satisfied that there are probably 1000 times more men's penises on TV than women's vaginas? Instead, you'd like them erect? I suppose you think that would be fair and equivelent to showing bums and breasts.

"Contrast with all the channels advertising phone ins with women gyrating on the screen. Haven't seen a male equivalent probably because women don't think they have an entitlement to wank over men's bodies on screen and fake sextalk on a premium phone line but whatever."

Ok, fair enough, but there are plenty of scenes on TV that show men urinating and they very, very rarely show women doing that, especially at family viewing times. And they say swear words that are related to men's genitals but they don't allow anywhere near as much the other way around - that would get banned.

"Women hit men. Yes of course some women hit men. Women sexually assault men. Yes of course some women sexually assault men but here's a newsflash - it's wrong. But it's still not the same. You are conveniently ignoring the dynamic in being hit by someone who is physically capable of killing you."

Someone get me some more duracells. There are plenty of couples where the woman is easily capable of inflicting serious injury to the male partner, or potentially killing them. You're talking nonsense when you say it's not the same. Of course it's the same. You shouldn't inflict violence on someone else, or glorify violence against either sex in the media. Period.

LOL at the two ronnies.

'Yes there is youth unemployment, male and female. Is that women's fault? Or that they maybe pissed at 10 in the morning outside pubs ? Or homeless?'

Where do you live Pan? Some quintessentially English pretty village in the arse end of nowhere?

Vadark - please learn to make your links clickable.

Vadark. Do me a favour and piss off.

oh dear SF, you don't seem keen on learning from comparative statistics, do you?

Funding for health care? Is that now the women's fault, possibly? Is there no end to what women get, despite not having the dominance of political power?

Well I don't life on Planet Zog, SF. That, it appears, is already over crowded.

No. Women have NO political power at all. None.

Now you're just being silly.

You live on planet Genuflect Pan. Is it nice down there?

"Here's a thing - go into any newsagent tomorrow and without touching a page, see how many photos of women in little clothing/'sexual poses' you see, compared with the number of men in those images. And count them."

Now open up the mags and count the number of underage half naked people in there and look at the headlines and comments alongside.

Also, I draw your attention to a disgusting book written by Germaine Greer which disgustingly shows naked boys and speaks of their sexual appeal. It is on sale to the public as is it's all ok and acceptable. I haven't seen it because I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, but how can you justify that?

why is it you like to get things personal again, SF?

"Is there something bad about boys and mens empowerment Pan? To not be sexually abused, assaulted, trafficked, over-represented in poverty, to not be screwed for every penny for a child you can't see, for funding for healthcare to be fairly distributed etc. Is this so bad?"

Nobody should be sexually abused, assaulted or trafficked. I don't think men are over represented in poverty. I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on th "screwed for every penny for q child you can"t see" In my personal experience (with one notable exception) it seems to be women trying desperately to get their children's fathers to pay them some attention-but I agree my social circle may not be typical.

If the health care issue you are talking about is prostate cancer v cervical cancer, the reason there are mor resources put into screening for cervical cancer is that it is a fast growing disease that affects younger women, and early treatment is vital. Prostate cancer tends to be slow growing, affects older men, and, frankly, the man tends to die of old age before the cancer becomes a problem. There have been many campaigns and soap opera story lines and sports people talking about testicular cancer- that is one that men can do something about themselves- do they take the advice freely available about self examination?

This is a nice male feminist viewpoint

If I was married to this man, I would take my son very far away from this man.

'why is it you like to get things personal again, SF?'

You make it personal Pan. You deliberately do this.