Page 5 | Does anyone elsee agree with the benefit cuts?

mrsruffallo · 2012-01-27T13:07:49+00:00

Because I do. They make sense to me. Reward the workers, esp. those in low paid employment, and make it harder to be better off unemployed than working. If ConDem also taxed the rich in an appropriate mnner, I would be very happy.

Peachy · 27/01/2012 16:42

Dla and going on sick different benefits! Going On Sick was IB, which became ESA and is NOT EVER NEVER signed off by a GP. Nope, it's doine by someone with no medical quals whatsoever and a tick box, clearly better.

We're a working family, DH works, we'll lose much of the help we get for ds3 because ds1 is also disabled, it's unlikely I will continue to get Carer's Allowance despite being shattered all day and the only break we ever got- access to a playscheme every NT in the city gets has just been pulled due to a shortage of support staff. PIP criteria is written by idiots so that my will-never-work severely autistic son won't qualify but speech and language want to sign us off because we can understand 80% of what he says now- us his parents, not a teacher or employer. And he can't communicate pain, illness or at all when upset. I am on meds from exhaustion and a resultant breakdown, so much so I lost track today when shopping (fortunately Dh was with me as he ahd to pick up supplies), ended up losing an hour, Dh ahd Police out looking for me as a missing and apparently vulnerable person; never thought of myself as vulnerable before!

If we lose the house, our need for a 4 bed due to disability will see us in a B&B or temp Accom for a prolonged time as SW won;t sign off on a 3 bed (although we have one now) and there are very few here, that will mean the boys in foster care as they can't be in a B&B or temp accom; however that would eman DH lose his business and NOBODY can get HB for a 4 bed now, even when SW says they have to have it.....

Want to set up self employed but can't do it from home and no help available in my sector as my -ridiculously-high-unemloyment area was missed from the enterprise zones (questions were asked in the Assembly but no answers).

Can't move, reliant on 2 special needs units.

A few years ago, when we got the second DX of asd in a child within 6 months DH tried to kill himself; we're looking at a dx now in our youngest (and yes of COURSE last) and I am praying he will be OK this time. I think he will, it's easier now he has changed jobs, less work stress.

Anyone thinks my life sounds better than their job is a wanker who needs a serious look at themselves frankly. I am not unhappy- mainly the meds (!) but I adore my boys and like being their Mum, however it is not easy.

Yeah, I'm loving these times of cuts! Yip-fucking-ee!

Peachy · 27/01/2012 16:44

Don;t be quick jumping to conclusions of fraud either

Neighbour almost got reported by me, I consider myself non judgemental but she had a blue badge, yet was gardening, walking about, etc.

Then a medical supplies van showed up outside her house and we wondered.

Now she is dead.

About 3 months all in. Still don't know what the cause was.

Peachy · 27/01/2012 16:47

Oh and whilst the cap is problematic IMO (why should someone in my town get the same as where house prices are ++++++, especially if say they have caring for an elderly parent responsibility in said town so hard to move away) my biggest concern is simple: I will die, DH will die (it'll happen folks) and ds3 will be left unsupported becuase he doesn't tick the right boxes andfall through the system and end up like those poor buggers that topped themselves after doing just that last eyar; the former soldier and his wife who ahd to walk 12 miles to a food bank to eat becuase she was too disabled to get JSA and not disabled enough to get ESA>

BIWI · 27/01/2012 16:48

You know, I don't post much on these threads because:

I have no direct, personal experience of claiming benefits (thankfully)

and

I don't really know very much about who is entitled to what and under what circumstances

Therefore for me to post about them is betraying ignorance and any prejudice I might have about benefits and benefit claimants.

I can't help but feel that a few more posters would benefit from stepping back a bit and admitting that they share my ignorance, and thus stop posting stuff that is patently wrong, highly prejudiced and/or gleaned from the scaremongering and sensationalist press.

That, or listen to people who do know more, because they have direct experience of the current system.

Just a thought.

yellowraincoat · 27/01/2012 16:49

But the people who have experience are all scroungers biwi.

Ineedadollar · 27/01/2012 16:50

Oh good, yet another one of these threads

OP, it's really not that simple. Do your research before you write tripe like that on the Internet. Benefit fraud is not very high, neither is the number of people who choose benefits as a lifestyle and choose not to work. Most of us are forced onto them through shitty life events and actually don't enjoy it. Perhaps I should put my severely disabled child into residential care and get a full time job? At least then I wouldn't be on benefits. Never mind the fact that it would cost the state £100k+ a year in care.
Force people into poverty and I suspect there would be rise in crime anyway as people try and find other ways to survive.

Agincourt · 27/01/2012 17:01

I know people do not even think about what would happen if we don't receive help, including social services. They most probably don't care on the children with disabilities team if your child goes into foster care either as it is most probably a different department and different budget

PinkoLiberal · 27/01/2012 17:02

Agin they care very little indeed. They know ds2 is regularly injured by ds1, not a fuck given.

NinkyNonker · 27/01/2012 17:05

Haha, I wad talking to my mum (who gets 'indefinite' DLA) the other day and under the new rules as she can propel herself in a chair she will prob be cut. The fact that she only has one leg, due to an NHS fuck up diagnosis of a serious cancer that nearly killed her, and that the shit NHS prosthetic service (now even more stretched because the govt are going back on their obligations to servicemen and dumping them on the NHS) means that she can barely walk even when she has a working limb is apparently irrelevant. You have to laugh.

KatieMiddleton · 27/01/2012 17:06

I have had the "pleasure" of signing on for contributions based JSA after redundancy. Were it not for the £1000 a month insurance policy I would not have bothered because it was one of the most humiliating, degrading experiences of my life. From the way I was spoken to by one Job Centre woman, the "unhelpful" advice we were given and the expectation that I had nothing better to do all day than hang about the job centre, the fruitless job searches and most of all the poor sods working there on their 3 month fixed term contracts and ability to do fuck all for most people.

The place was full of people with babies in Bugaboos who had been laid off from private businesses, often advertising and marketing agencies (I spent a lot of time in there waiting) plus those who were obviously drunks and addicts who were never going to get a job until they were clean.

No one in their right mind would do that as a choice. Not for £65 a week.

ValarMorghulis · 27/01/2012 17:07

I saw the thread title and thought "ok, someone who has seen the news and the speeches cameron has been giving. I will go and explain why these are such a bad idea"

Then i saw some of the utter Bollox that has been spouted by the OP, Realised that its got nothing to do with not being fully aware of the facts surrounding the wrb and more to do with just being completely ignorant yet trying to sound like she has a clue about anything.

Frankly i'd be surprised if she could find her arse with both hands.
I mean seriously, you STILL feel that this - ^
As for the DLA I think that refoems are needed. There are certain long term disabilities that need long term financial support, but there are so many claiming this because they were pushed onto it instead of uincome support to mka ethe unemployment fugures look better and are still on it for minor ailments. I am also not sure if people with mentaal health issues need the amount of money paid out to them by the DLA.^
Is worth posting? really?
Despite being told a thousand times that DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT

I mean come on. Just how stupid do you have to be?

No one gets forced onto DLA. you claim DLA whether you are working or not, whether you are a millionaire or on the bread line. you claim it BECAUSE YOU ARE DISABLED.

you stupid fucking bunch of fucking moronic twatbags. How many times do you need to see it in bold capitalisations before it sinks in?

How the fuck this Forum ever got mistaken for a hive of intelligent articulate posters who took an interest in social policy i will never know. It is full of utter planks with about as much intelligence as a pork chop

PinkoLiberal · 27/01/2012 17:07

Ninky you'd be amazed how many ex service men I have had to help with appeals lately, including some with PTSD who were just 17 when they joined up, and who also have significant other injuries - one has shrapnel in his spine for example.

Amazing how readily they will let people down.

PinkoLiberal · 27/01/2012 17:12

Oh David Cameron claimed DLA for Ivan

Which shows it's not an out of work benefit

Indeed, my boys are CHILDREN who as far as I am aware are not eligible for being out of work.

Being as they can;t work as they are 12 and 8.

I would tell the story I have about what happens when people with MH disorders are left without access to a FT carer but it's gruesome- oh OK but you've been warned: Nan's neighbour, sedated for his MH issues but carers also worked so went back to employment after meds given; meds didn't work well but he was alone, so he took an axe and went to see my Nan and Grandad- luckily they were out as he then went to see a different neighbour and murdered her. But yeah, people with Mh issues don't need DLA at MR or HR levels (the ones at which a carer can get CA, until after cuts when it goes to HR only)

Dillydaydreaming · 27/01/2012 17:17

DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT.

Dillydaydreaming · 27/01/2012 17:18