The "Down with this sort of thing" picket. There is a burger van and you can wear your donkey jacket and fingerless gloves

[KatieMiddleton]

Fed up of the cuts? Fed up of the mislead bigotry? This is your sanctuary. Unwind. Vent. Pop over to the frothers thread if you feel like getting organised and doing some proactive stuff or just chill out with a cup of builders tea in a polystyrene cup.

Welcome.

Ooh, Pag, if it's a general invite, can I and the DDs come? We like popcorn. We've seen Puss in Boots already, and they're not old enough for Warhorse, but any other kids film is fine.

Spike!

Take it outside!

Anyone fancy a crumpet?

I have toasting forks and luverly butter.

Honestly, he will go and watch anything. He is just the best company at the cinema. He has to watch all the credits which is a bit dull but he is lovely

Pag!

Ooh are you near me lubey? I'm in Richmond where a 2 bed property with half a kitchen (like the house I rent from the bank own) is £1300pcm.

SPIKE I have:

posted links that explain why the people moving out of london will have nowhere to go but temp accom

posted links as to how this will cause rent shortfall for people UP AND DOWN THE COUNTY that means they will not be able to eat and heat.

posted links from inside housing that explain why private rents won't fall because of this

expained exactly how this is not going to save the taxpayer any money and may cost more in the long run.

If you don't want to read them and try to understand then don't. I am not interested in a bunfight.

For lots of different reasons some people just can't move.

It is not fair that they get punished for things they can't help.

Even if they can help it and really are sponging feckers why would you support punishing their children because of it? Because it will be the children who bear the brunt of it.

But spike the people affected are already living in the cheapest example of housing in their area, and for miles around. In the southeast there isn't anywhere you can relocate to give you more outgoings.

If the family did move to somewhere cheaper, they would get less in housing benefit

So they would then be receiving benefits of maybe 18 or 20k per year, but still not have any more in their pockets, AND be living away from family support, and in a poor area with cheap housing which means no jobs and very little chance of getting one.

No one just gets 26k no matter where they live, and so if they live in a shed somewhere they have the whole 26k to spend. it doesn't work like that.

THEY ARE FUCKED NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO

hth

Can I have my burger with cheap nasty cheese please?

Cross posted

VERY happy for it to be off this thread.

But if you are IN that situation, and you are in social housing, Private rents will be EVEN DEARER. And if you are IN social housing,

See, I just found an interesting thing - 2.65m registered unemployed. 463,000 job vacancies.

Nope not like that now Spike. Very few rents are available that HB claimants don't have to top up themselves, and if a rent is actually cheaper than the LHA they will only receive whatever the rent cost is and no more.

That has gone already Spike.

Yes that's changed, I think at first it was capped so you were allowed to keep I think £5pw of the excess, now you don't keep any.

and Shirley, of those 463,000 job vacancies, a scary amount are zero hour contracts, self employed only contracts, 1 hour a day receptionish positions, 5 hours a week cleaning etc.

I've been checking out my local job market and it is horrible, really horrible.

Actual full time jobs, or part time decent hours are like gold dust.

Spike - I am in what my Housing Association 'calls'a 3-bed house. So they are charging me over £520pcm. (Which, due to the government's meddling, will soon rise to £720pcm). BUT, and it's a big but, my Local Council's Housing Benefit department only 'calls' this house a 2.5-bed house, due to the square footage. (i.e. it's got two SINGLE rooms and a walk-in wardrobe USED as a 'bedroom'). So they will only PAY £480 Housing benefit.

And this is one of the cheaper houses here, being social housing. They haven't done what you are talking about for quite some time. (Though IKWYM, I remember that)

Have you seen the waiting lists for social housing?

Ok, have heated up my branding iron on the brazier and anyone who brings politics onto the thread is getting branded on the arse with 'Benefit Basher'