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Too Many Cuts...come join the #Frothers and have your say

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 21:23

This is the 3rd thread in a series.

It is for people who are horrified, frustrated and downright sad at the erosion of human rights with respect to how this country is being run, just now and in the recent past

it is apolitical in nature, but of course due to many recent initiatives by the recent govt, there will be rants against our current "leaders"

please join in

I shall post the link to the old threads, our "Too Many Cuts #Frothers" blog that is attracting a lot of widespread attention and a little bit of what we are about in a moment

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RatherBeOnThePiste · 08/12/2011 16:26

Only just caught up with this from Aljazeera, Women in Britain are fed up I know it was posted last night Blush

Not sure how I missed it before, but it is excellent, if like me you haven't read it yet, do.

Some of the following comments make for 'interesting' reading

Oooooooo...major journo?????

CardyMow · 08/12/2011 16:28

Someone on the blog has asked a question that occured to me too - I can't seem to put a comment on there.

They have asked what happens to arrears if they close the case in order to transfer you from CSA to CMEC. I suspect that the same thing happens as it would if you closed the case yourself - that any and all arrears are written off. I fucking hope not.

I will be doing a LOT of digging on that one later - but if someone cleverer than me could reply to the comment letting them know that I am looking into that, it would be helpful.

What a way to write off arrears owed too, if what I fear is the case. Start CMEC with a clean sheet, let tens of thousands of NRP's wipe off huge debts, and leave the PWC's struggling EVEN MORE.

ShirleyKnot · 08/12/2011 16:31

I'll reply!

lubeybaublely · 08/12/2011 16:42

Hello all. I'm fine, I'm fine, it's all fine. I haven't really got insipid mush instead of a brain after eveything I've been reading today in between fielding calls and running round and arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Well, at least i've managed to stop swearing anyway, for now.

Niceguy2 has come up with an interesting link on the CSA changes thread that contradicts the maintenance issue, and seems to indicate that it won't be taken off anyone after all.

I need to know one way or the other what it is, so that if the original info is true, i can kick some serious House of Lords butt. No point in me sending the 20 letters I've got ready to print off opposing it if it isn't even happening Blush

CardyMow · 08/12/2011 16:45

But TBH - they WOULD put that on the DWP website - they WANT it to fly under the radar.

I just find it odd that CSA Hell, Gingerbread AND the Institute of Fiscal Studies are saying something different to what is being said on Niceguy2's linky.

I really have to dash now, will be back later.

#frothers.

Tianc · 08/12/2011 16:59

Can you point us to Niceguy's link, I don't know what I'm looking for?

Tianc · 08/12/2011 17:02

I can try to check against contents of the bill.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 08/12/2011 17:08

< strides in >

< dumps bag in corner >

hello all, just signing in after working today

have had a little froth, and a little cry, at the recent blogging and tweeting

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NorfolkNCarolSingers · 08/12/2011 17:15

Right have dumped DD in front of Something Special DVD.

I have linked the blog to a private forum I am a member of. Mostly teachers but all mums or TTC. I have asked them to read and if they want to contribute to PM me there and we'll sort them out (a couple are prolific bloggers themselves)

lubeybaublely · 08/12/2011 17:24

Tianc www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/ucpbn-9-income.pdf

KateFrothers · 08/12/2011 17:25

I think I've done the blog back ground the same as the Twitter page. Let me know if you get when you log on instead of the page.

KateFrothers · 08/12/2011 17:35

Link for you to gaze in wonder at my tech skills

toomanycuts.blogspot.com

MmeLindor. · 08/12/2011 18:12

Sorry for not being much help today. I am officially in Lurgy-town and finding it hard to concentrate on anything more taxing than fluffy kitten websites.

Must shake off this bloody cold.

I am sure that they make is so confusing so that people do not cotton on till it is too late.

Tianc · 08/12/2011 18:16

Right, I'm on this lubey. Will report back shortly.

TeWiharaMeriKirihimete · 08/12/2011 18:26

Just popping in to say that the mobile version looks great too - thanks for all the lovely responses to my post Blush.

MIL might not be able to do the libraries post depends on what she has to sign when she leaves... Should know this month though.

FontSnob · 08/12/2011 18:43

Evening frothers. Sorry Kate, haven't had a chance to make a new background for everything yet. I will though I promise.

Am in email contact with guest blogger, will let you know when she sends in her post. Am off to catch up on the blog and will report back from the statcounter results too. Let me know if anyone wants the log in details.

You are all fantastic. Lubey and Hunty, hope you're okay x

Tianc · 08/12/2011 18:45

TeWi, didn't get original ref to libraries post, but depending on the circumstances, maybe your MIL could do the post before she leaves (what can they do, sack her?!).

Depends what she's already signed and how up she is for something that requires a public interest defence (can you tell I've been watching the Leveson Inquiry - former ICO officer has just handed over disk of material from his former workplace saying he knew it was a Section 59 offence (?) but he felt very secure about it. From the profound gratitude expressed by Leveson I'd guess he was right...)

blackoutthexmaslights · 08/12/2011 18:50

evening all Smile

just been looking at the blog, its looks great

TeWiharaMeriKirihimete · 08/12/2011 18:54

It's all a bit complicated atm, but wanted to do something about cuts that don't save money - she's okay with telling truth for greater good but has to feel safe, so is her call depending how things pan out!

It is a question of v damming or theoretically I think.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 08/12/2011 18:55

I am full of a fucking stinking cold too

Fucking viruses

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KateFrothers · 08/12/2011 19:22

I think I've done the background Font although it did disappear once but it's been up for a bit.

Tianc · 08/12/2011 19:29

OK I've obviously missed a key part of the discussion here because I don't understand the lubey's post at 16:42. But here's a summary of state of play.

? HuntyCat's blog post is entirely about charges to use the CMEC/CSA, and attempts to coerce parents wrt to its use.

? Niceguy's DWP Briefing Note, dated 20 OCt 2011, is about Universal Credit and states: "The current approach of fully disregarding payments of child maintenance received by a claimant who is a parent with care, in order to encourage such parents to apply for child maintenance, will continue under Universal Credit."

Note this isn't the actual Welfare Reform Bill, which I can make neither head nor tail of in this respect, it's simply a briefing.

As far as I can see, both of these can be true. Gingerbread's campaign is all about the charges.

What may interest anyone with energy left is the debate in the Lords on 28 Nov 2011, for which Gingerbread had prepared material. Read from 6pm onwards: "Clause 131 : Supporting maintenance agreements. Amendment 113B"

Their noble Lords agree with Hunty that the charges are intended to deter PWC from using the CMEC/CSA. They ask for (and get) an amendment including: "The main objective of the Secretary of State in applying the provisions of this Act shall be to maximise the number of those children who live apart from one or both parents for whom effective maintenance arrangements are in place."

The point being to ensure this objective is put above the objective of the CMEC/CSA saving the govt money.

Or as Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope puts it, "I will go to the great Parliament in the sky a very unhappy bunny if this one goes wrong as well."

Other supporters of the amendment:
Baroness Sherlock (formerly chief exec of National Council for One Parent Families)
Baroness Tyler of Enfield (chief exec of Relate)
Baroness Lister of Burtersett
Baroness Hollis of Heigham

Don't know if any of the above is any use to anyone.

Tianc · 08/12/2011 19:30

Feel free to redirect me if I've gone off at half cock. So to speak...

ChristinedePizanne · 08/12/2011 19:42

Hello again. Would it be any use if I were to write a blog post on how difficult this government have made it to be a single parent to try and become self-employed? It's tied in to benefit cuts and child poverty.

The government are allegedly trying to encourage entrepreneurship but single parents are pretty much excluded from doing it because they get fuck all support.

Shall I draft something after the weekend?