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The big society

152 replies

newwave · 30/10/2011 21:22

Has anyone heard Dave mention the big society or we are all in this together lately? Then again he may have just influenced society to come together albeit they appear to be protesting against his policies and his rich "mates" greed.

One worry I have is that next summer the more "radical protesters" will be burning and looting shops in a High Street near you after all what need do you have to hold back if you are young with no future you have very little to lose. If I could I would suggest to them that if they must indulge in looting shops and burning homes then maybe Knightsbridge, Belgravia and Mayfair should be their destination of choice. Unlike Tottenham I doubt that the Police would sit back and let the rich burn. Better still give them a future, hope and jobs, then again we have a Tory government so that is unlikely as creating unemployment and hardship for those at the bottom is hardwired into their DNA.

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rabbitstew · 04/11/2011 11:01

Perhaps claig could enlighten me as to what Custardo meant by her original comments, since I am apparently the only person who doesn't understand her pearls of wisdom.

claig · 04/11/2011 11:30

I have reviewed and analysed Custardo's statement again. fter much deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that it was a typo, and she meant "the green wally brigade" - a statement with which there can be no possible disagreement.

rabbitstew · 04/11/2011 11:56

I bow to your greater wisdom, claig.

Little green wallies are stepping into our libraries and it's very bad for poor people when they do, but very good for middle class people, who like all things green.

claig · 04/11/2011 12:14

It's not only our libraries they are stepping into. They're also stepping onto our TV screens. They are never off Newsnight.

rabbitstew · 04/11/2011 12:20

Maybe it's an alien invasion. Wallies never used to be green. Although I guess it could be radiation poisoning.

claig · 04/11/2011 12:27

I never thought of that. I think you're onto something. They say that Martians are "little green men" and I am sure they would like nothing more than to put a spanner in Earth's works. Putting the fear of God into Earth's good people about catastrophic climate change is just the type of low-down thing they would do.

rabbitstew · 04/11/2011 12:53

They have their little green fingers in every pie, from the lowliest library to the most hallowed scientific research centre. I even hear tell that they attend Eton and work in the City. And last night, my dh thought he could hear the words "Green is Good, Green Wally is Even Better" being repeated in the background when we switched on the news.

claig · 04/11/2011 13:00

Yes, it sounds like he was watching Newsnight.

rabbitstew · 04/11/2011 13:50
Grin
rabbitstew · 04/11/2011 14:33

Throw away your green wellies, claig, before you start recycling, composting and turning out lights even when you're in the room. It's just not worth the risk you might be turned to the green side and I know you don't want that to happen.

claig · 04/11/2011 14:58

I already recycle and compost, because "there are no alternatives". I don't yet turn out the lights when I am in the room, but I am under no illusions that that will be forced on us soon. How else are we going to "save the planet"?

rabbitstew · 04/11/2011 15:53

Green is Good, Green Wally is Even Better.

Submit to the will of the Green Wally.

claig · 04/11/2011 16:42

Four legs good, two legs (green wellies) better

and Big Brother says "ants are the food of the future", "there are no alternatives".

crazynanna · 04/11/2011 16:45

and Big Brother says "ants are the food of the future", "there are no alternatives".

Wrong. Big Bro says "Who stays...you decide"

claig · 04/11/2011 16:50

Grin, yes Big Brother says that too

rabbitstew · 04/11/2011 16:54

And then he gets everyone to eat ants.

claig · 04/11/2011 16:58

That's true, he gets everybody to dress up in silly outfits, turns the lights out when they're in the room and makes them eat ants. That's what he calls entertainment. This week's task is "save the planet". How many ants can the contestants eat before going to the diary room and asking for a beef steak and beer?

claig · 04/11/2011 17:01

And then just like in the Colosseum, the public will decide who has not done enough to "save the planet" and must be evicted from the house of fun.

ironman · 04/11/2011 18:24

Claig. Are you sure you analysed custardos comment properly? Surely she said 'green willy brigade'? Anyway that's how I see the men! Grin

breadandbutterfly · 04/11/2011 18:28

Well done, claig, for having killed off the politics forum entirely.

Conspiracy theory, which conspiracy theory? Biscuit

claig · 04/11/2011 18:47
Biscuit Where's the conspiracy theory?

The ambassador said to Kirsty
"ants are tehe food of the future", "there is no alternative"
He is not talking conspiracies, he was talking about ants not producing methane and being "environmentally friendly" food. That's not a conspiracy, that's green.

claig · 04/11/2011 18:52

If it was a conspiracy why did Newsnight give it air time?

breadandbutterfly · 04/11/2011 21:01

I don't care. Tesco is not stocking ants right now. But the Tories are cutting the NHS right now. My kids' school transport service will disappear from next Sept due to the cuts - that's going to give me huge headaches, personally. The chances of my kids being able to afford to go to university in due course - that concerns me.

Ants? One day? Maybe? If this bothers you so much, do what we do and have an allotment and grow your own. Or stock up on tinnned food.

We've heard the green conspiracy theories and we've heard the ants theory.

Can we now leave it, as I feel most (all?) the rest of us feel this is really just a distractor from the shit that the Tories are doing NOW.

i don't expect you to agree, claig, as we all know you are a big fan of the Tories and the cuts. Do you in fact work for the Tories in their ministry of misinformation?

Or is that a rather pointless conspiracy theory too far?

Either way, could you please restrict your ravings thoughts about green conspiracies involving eating insects to just one thread? so that the rest of us can discuss somewhat more real urgent matters. :)

claig · 04/11/2011 21:20

You don't understand that the green policies and ant eating are part of the planned austerity that is being imposed on the public.

You think that there is a conspiracy by the Coalition to punish the poor and cut their benefits in order to make the Tories' friends rich. You think that they are deliberately targetting the poor in order to help their rich mates.

That is naive. They are implementing austerity, just like Labour would have done, because of the pensions crisis and the growing ageing population. They want to slow the growth of the population and the growth and wealth of the public in order to prevent the growing demands of the public on the public purse. That is why tens of thousands will probably be striking on Nov 30.

Just like Benjamoin Zephaniah said on Question Time last night, the people in the tents are protesting because whichever government gets in, the policies don't change. You have misunderstood why austerity is being imposed, and you have even believed the story of those whose "limits to growth" policy is to help the people imposing authority.

There is a pensions crisis due to the increasing life expectancy of people. Money is in short supply and Harriet Harman worked on increasing pensionable age and the Tories have continued it. How can we solve the problem and pay people decent wages? We need growth, but the greens don't like growth and nor do the people imposing austerity (because austerity is the opposite of growth). That is why it is being imposed on the public as a means of solving the population and pensions crisis.

The greens work for the elite. They have the same "low growth" aims, and many of the leading ones went to public schools like Eton and Stowe and then onto Oxbridge.

Labour's John Hutton says people should not strike and so did Shirley Williams on Question Time last night. They are on board. It is not the Coalition that is hell bent on imposing austerity on the poor to help their mates get rich. The rich don't need Cameron to make them rich, they got rich enough under Labour, when social mobility declined more than under Thatcher.

You have misunderstood why these events are happening and are railing at the wrong target, just like Don Quixote did against windmills. Unless you understand why it is occurring and which policies aid it (i.e. green limits to growth) then you will have less success than Don Quixote.

Of course, I don't work for the Tories. I don't believe in green policies, because I think they are against teh interests of ordinary people, unlike Eton educated Zac Goldsmith and Eton educated Cameron.

claig · 04/11/2011 21:23

and Eton educated Sir Jonathon Porritt and Stowe educated George Monbiot etc. etc.