The Grauniad seems to be dying - hurrah!

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I doubt Polly will be selling her Tuscan villa any time soon, but it will be a wonderful day when the BBC's in-house journal gets what it deserves.

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/media/8580566/Job-cull-looms-at-The-Guardian.html

Agree entirely, MoreBeta. It's just a matter of time. Many more people will eventually think like your PILs. The cloud of propaganda is being lifted, the sun of sanity will shine on the people again.

Grimma, the times they are a changing. There are now politicians on the side of the people, who speak for the people - politicians like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman in the States, who openly now say things like it is 'snake oil science'. The progressive paradise is receding into the distance, the people have been set free, they are full of glee and they wave the progressives goodbye as the progressives sail away off into the sea.

If Sarah Palin or someone similar makes it to be the next President, then it is curtains for the progressives' plan. It'll be like that old Roy Orbison song, "It's over". The people will sing that song as they rejoice that they have seen the back of it. There will be no more wailing and gnashing of teeth, hope for humanity will be restored. It won't happen overnight, but the process of renewal and truth has started. The progressives know that it is over. All they have left is to try and ridicule Sarah Palin. But the people are wise to it, they secretly read the Daily Mail. The more the progressives try to smear Sarah Palin, the more she becomes the people's champion.

I can't work out if that's for real or if you're a Radio 4 satirist.

It is truth told in jest.

I think Whitney Houstons 'didn't we almost have it all' is a better choice.

In case progressive newspapers have given people the impression that is is just nutjobs like Sarah Palin who are turning the tide, here is an article from the Daily Mail showing that even people like the former head of the civil service, Lord Turnbull, Tony Blair's Cabinet Secretary from 2002 to 2005, are starting to warn against blind faith in the dire warnings of doom and destruction of the climate change mongers.

It's oooover, it's oooover.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001189/Ministers-fall-climate-folly-warns-ex-Civil-Service-chief.html

sorry, so-called "nutjobs". I think Sarah Palin is great.

claig - Lord Turnbull is spot on but it would have been nice if he had said it at the time he was in office. It really needed a loud authoritative voice of sanity inside Govt and civil service in 2005 to counter the hysteria.

Global warming is a myth projected and pumped up by the green lobby - many member of whch used to be members of the anti capitalist movement, anti nuclear movement and Communist Party of the UK.

TSC / I'm not happy seeing anyone lose their job - and in all seriousness, I genuinely hope the Guardian keeps going. But leftie cunts are quite happy to see a pub close and all it's staff lose their jobs - just because it banned 2 homosexuals who broke pub rules.

So You need to know what you're talking about - but most lefties talk shite so I'm not hopeful.

I don't believe claig is a real person.

Maybe a bored, out-of-work Graundiad hack is having a laugh?

Surely nobody is this much of a DM stereotype, though? If you are a Graundia hack, you need to make your character more nuanced

Agree, MoreBeta. It would have been better for the people if he had spoken out earlier, but better late than never. The tide is turning, the people are learning. It's oooover, it's oooover.

OneHelluvaBroad, the progressives can't believe that Sarah Palin is for real, but fortunately for us, she is.

The Good Lord himself has sent Sarah to save us in our darkest hour. It's mighty hot and globally warm in Satan's global warming hell. But fortunately, it won't be for us.

Uh-huh

But even if you think climate change is a cult, surely you've got to accept that Peak Oil will happen sometime, so many of the switches away from carbon are going to be necessary anyway? I've lived through the false alarm of the 70s, so know that the timing may be out, but the black stuff is a finite resource. (sorry, don't know what the DM doctrine is on this).

I think peak oil is another scam that benefits progressives and billionaires and harms the people. Sarah Palin wants to drill for oil in Alaska but due to the green, environmental laws she is not able to. This keeps oil prices high and harms the economy and the people, and helps the progressives, billionaires and oil companies. It is just like the green, environmental policies that have led to food being grown for bio-fuels (to help the fight against "climate change"), which harms the people, increases food prices, leads to food riots across the globe and to potential mass starvation of millions of people. It harms the people and helps the billionaires and progressives.

If Sarah Palin becomes President, then the tide will turn, the wheels of the economy will turn, and the policies of the progressives will be adjourned.

I love to hear the mythhs about "guardianistas" from people who evidently haven't actually read the Guardian's support for the ground zero mosque. I searched and searched for the fabled "speeches of Gordon Brown" that claig speaks of, and found none.

I also wonder if part of the Daily Mail's popularity is, as has been suggested earlier it's readibility. The Daily mail consistently scores in reading age tests as somewhere around a reading age of 11-13, whereas the Guardian and Independant need a reading age nearer 18.

One wonders how the DM would approach that? "SHOCK, Broken Britain's dumbed down education system now means most UK students are incapable of understanding the Guardian!!"

Or, alternatively claig, drilling for oil in Alaska harms the environment, which in turn harms humans. Or is an oil based economy more important than breathable air?

I love how DM being read by many somehow makes it an important bit of journalism. It's like saying that because many people watch Eastenders it's an important piece of acting/scriptwriting.

'Or, alternatively claig, drilling for oil in Alaska harms the environment, which in turn harms humans.'

Yes, that is what the progressives say. Who do you believe? I think the tide is turning. The article I linked to about the ex head of the civil service, Tony Blair's cabinet Secretary, shows that. I believe Sarah Palin. The progressives ridicule her now, but they won't for long, as she gets more and more power and as the tide starts to turn.

TSC/ I don't get involved in heavy online debates anymore - partly due to not having the time, and partly due to a ' been there/done that ' philosophy -
I have masses of opinions but I chat more about them on F/B - MN is for my parenting needs - and support.
I've just re- read that post I sent you and agree I came across as a bit angry ( not sure why? as I'm not ) So I'm sorry about that.

Whether the Alaskan oil is extracted or not, its going to run out sometime. The timing is not yet defined - and there may be a few more undiscovered reserves - but then on the other hand there's growing demand for energy.

Bio-fuels, in the form it initially took, was indeed a colossal mistake and has widely been recognised as such.

By the time all the oil runs out, humanity will have advanced tremendously and will have invented new energy sources that we as yet can't imagine. They won't need to turn the clock back, to stop progress and use the greens' windmills. They will find much better energy sources than that.

'They' being... the scientists and technologists who know Peak Oil is inevitable and so are researching alternatives.