Historic night for Scotland

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Spine tingling stuff!

Local councillors are very different indeed from career politicians. Usually (I hope) they have been born and brought up in the area and understand local issues. Also, they start off in politics with a genuine desire to make their local area a better place, they work incredibly hard and don't get paid. And they didn't all go to public school. Look how different Tavish Scott is from Nick Clegg, even Annabel Goldie from Cameron. Of course they're different!

i was a fairly dyed in teh wool labour voter but teh longer i am in scotland the more repulsed i am by the whole negativity of the party. snp are at least looking to the future and not still banging on about thatcher and mining.

I'm sure the main reason that the SNP have done so well is that there is no corresponding Westminster party that has let its voters down. But I think it was a mistake to punish local councillors for their parties' mistakes in Westminster.

More seats for the SNP!!!

Only need a couple more for a majority!

Historic Day

Huzzah is what I say!

Perhaps now Labour will actually come up with some ideas rather than the despicable carry on from Iain Grey this time. They really need to do what the SNP do - stop slagging everyone off left, right and centre and get on with things.

All three main parties need to learn that lesson and if they don't then so be it. They've spent the last four years bitching about Salmond and the SNP and treating voters like some bovine herd and thank god people have noticed this time.

I was watching QT last night. Was that Labour guy, Andy Burnham I think his name is, up for the leadership? Good thing he didn't get it if he was as he was so much stronger than wimpy little Milliband (wrong Milliband to start with.) He would have gained lots of support for Labour. Or do we not want someone with a (rather nice) Northern accent leading Labour? (Is it still New Labour, gone back to old Labour or New New Labour?)

SNP on 63.....only 2 more to go for a majority....

Indeed Andy Burnham was up for the leadership.

I think Ed is more Old Labour. Not sure if it makes much difference anymore. Just as well it is another 4 years till the next Westminster election. Labour are fucked at the moment.

Sorry for swearing!

ian gray was a bad choice for leader, until the past few weeks he was barely recognizable

64 now, won gordon brown's patch

That's it, they're in with a majority!

Now let us see what they are made of.

Hopefully they will not let the power go to their heads.

I can see Dave C sitting at Westminster right now with the "closure of all military bases in Scotland authorisation from" sitting in front of him, pen in hand, thinking
"I'll show the feckers"

next stop - referendum on independance

saltire
the tories in westminster are going to have to stop shafting scotland at every opportunity as it would only drive people further towards SNP.
So maybe it will actually help things like oil sector taxation/ RAF bases in North East.
David C doesn't want break up of the union and might have to act to show people in scotland why its worth staying as part of UK

I still can't decide what I think on this. I like Liberal policies generally, but I vote Labour mainly. However Scottish Labour have disgusted me with their campaign. The attitude of being so certain of their strongholds and Ed Milliband (worst ever choice of Labour leader) saying about Scotland being a springboard was utterly stupid and treated us Scots with contempt.
I'm not so sure on independence to be honest, But to the poster on the first page who referenced Brown/Blair because of the nationality within the UK - get a grip. The Prime Minister is Prime Minister for the United Kingdom, not England.

I would however like to see Scottish MP's banned from voting on English only policies as it causes bad feeling.

It is sad that there was only a 50% turn out, I wish the turn out was higher. I think the result partly reflects how badly voters feel let down by Labour and the Lib Dems.

cedar- why dont you take another glug of our oil and choke on it

cedar - posts like yours are really unpleasant, are you getting any?

Threads like these always bring out the anti-Scot anger-monkeys. Just ignore them, they're stuck with the bloody ConDems with no alternative. I'm no huge fan of the SNP but at least they're something different.

(And I say that as someone with an English father, so don't even try to pull the "anti-English" card on me. I've been at the receiving end of anti-English bullshit my whole life but you don't see me throwing insults south of the border.)

You see I am Scottish and I love Scotland, and I can see why any number of things there should be allowed to operate in a different manner.

Economically though, as I said further down the thread, I honestly don't think the figures for independence stack up. The SNP have effectively bought votes by putting off a few years the kind of cuts that have happened in England, but the economic and demographic pressures are exactly the same in Scotland. Whether you like it or not there WILL have to be huge changes in how the NHS and Higher education are funded and pretending that Scotland can operate without these changes is frankly delusional.

Although Cedar has been rather rude in the way she put her point, the fact is that Scotland would have HUGE issues in running as a single state. Not only would cuts have to be made as they have been elsewhere, but those cuts would have to be far, far more draconian than elsewhere in the UK to anywhere near balance the books for independence.

Oh, and I'll also say that I think Eck and the Nats are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think Scotland will vote for independence. Most of us have the sense to see that yes, we ARE tied to the UK for better or worse, and to leave the union would mean huge cuts just as notyummy said. Even cedar is right, the oil may be "ours", but it's huge multinational companies who own the oil fields and drill the stuff out in the first place. I can imagine them pulling out and heading north (Greenland especially has massive oil potential) if the uppity Scots cause any fuss.

When the referendum comes round, I'll be voting GOD NO.