Michael Buerk: BBC staff read Guardian "like their bible"

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Yet more confirmation of what we all know.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372559/Left-wing-shallow-oh-politically-correct--verdict-BBC-Michael-Buerk.html

Left wing magazines scratch their heads and ask the question, why if all the elites of the world, all the billionaires and all of the "cabs for hire" believe in climate catastrophe, then why don't the public believe them?

This is from a New Statesman main article which tried to understand the phenomenon

"Global warming is a threat that is going to wipe out civilisation as we know it. The liberal elite and political classes are signed up to the message that, unless we take urgent action within ten years, we are all literally doomed to burn up.

But who else believes them?"

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2007/04/climate-change-british-opinion

What can done to convince the masses? Are more "cabs for hire" necessary?

Leftwing culture????????? Do me a favour. There is NO leftwing culture in the UK and nor has there been for simply aeons. If you reckon Blair's years were leftwing then you, too, are a vctim of your own propaganda as his hideous ethos was one of insidious political correctness that was fed to the masses and dressed up as progressiveness. It was actually an ethos where it was anathema to express mildly racist views but you could go and bomb the hell out of brown people for oil. That was Blairism and New Labour and fuck all to do with anything vaguely leftwing.

The only remotely leftwing prog I've seen recently on the BBC was the Jimmy McGovern series called Accused or some such that looked a the social dilemmas behind crimes that on the face of it looked open and shut but we won't see anything mildly similar again that's for sure. Don't forget Mark Thompson was seen scuttling in and out of Downing St looking shamefaced just after the elections. Now he's sucking up to the big boys in the playground just as Buerk is.

Citing polls on climate change is a non argument as each to their own polls and anyway people are victims of misleading media propaganda such as that read in your beloved DM.

Claig because most people don't understand the science and therefore rely on journalists, who also don't understand the science, to interpret it for them. Journalists are largely incapable of viewing facts other than through their own political prism and as the print media in this country is dominated by right wing interests they inevitably get the sceptical view.

The fact that the sceptics choose to attack a perceived political motivation behind the science, rather than the science itself confirms this.

The BBC has a perceived left-wing bias as does any large organisation that recruits mainly graduates.

This is because intelligent and well educated people tend not to be right wing, at least not in the Daily Mail sense.

I agree that Blair wasn't left wing. I don't think the next Labour government will be either. It will be the same old same old.

I am sure that there are some left wingers who don't believe in global warming. The 'Great Global Warming Swindle' was made by a TV producer who I think was a former Marxist.

Spiked Online is a magazine that I often agree with. It is produced by the people who used to be involved with 'Marxism Now'. I am amazed how often I agree with them. Have you heard Claire Fox of the Institute of Ideas. She also comes from that environment. She makes excellent sense on many issues.

Apocalypse My Arse

The Guardian article about US opinion says
'Some 67% of Republicans either deny the existence of climate change or attribute the phenomenon to natural causes. In contrast, 64% of Democrats believe that the earth is getting warmer because of human activity.'

Why are so many left wingers believers. I think it is because they believe what their leaders tell them, people like millionaire Al Gore and millionaire Tony Blair. There is even some talk about whether Al Gore might be a 'carbon billionaire'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1225191/Al-Gore-hits-critics-label-carbon-billionaire-profited-championing-climate-change.html

hogsback, most of the media are on message. They nearly all push the same line. "Cabs for hire" are not just restricted to politicians. The public hasn't formed its opinions due to the media, because the media push the line of the elites.

Climategate exposed what was going on to many people who were unaware. Christopher Booker in the Daily Telegraph is outstanding in his treatment of global warming, but he is practically a lone voice.

The public are smart, they don't believe the information they are fed by the elites and the "cabs for hire".

"Why are so many left wingers believers. I think it is because they believe what their leaders tell them, people like millionaire Al Gore and millionaire Tony Blair"

There you go again claig propagating the lie that Blair was a leftwinger. Give it a rest and we'll get along better. He infiltrated the Labour party and dragged it to the right after Kinnock had paved the way for him by expelling any real leftwingers left in the party. He will go down as the most heinous personage ever linked to the Labour party. He's a war criminal and a betrayor of the cause. Yes? Are we agreed on that? Good. Now, your fanatical climate change denial must be motivated by something other than dissent to what you view as mainstream propaganda.

"The public are smart, they don't believe the information they are fed by the elites and the "cabs for hire"."

Yeah right the public of FOX TV in the US for example?

Of course he infiltrated the Labour party. I know he was not a left winger. But he was the leader of the Labour party and millions of Labour voters voted for him.

I understand what the objective of the elites, the billionaires and the "cabs for hire" is over climate change. That is why I am opposed to it.

I'm afraid I've never seen any evidence that the general public are smart when it comes to science. The general level of science education in this country is excreable.

glasnost, I am not a snob. I believe in the people. I have faith in the judgement of ordinary people, I believe in true democracy, I believe in listening to the voice of the people, not the voice of the elites, the billionaires and the "cabs for hire", who follow their master's voice.

Ordinary people have common sense, they can spot the snake oil salesmen, the 'straight kinda guys', in spite of all the "cabs for hire" who praise them to the rafters.

hogsback, what about the public's reaction to MMR and to the swine flu vaccine? Many were not convinced by the Chief Medical Officer.

Ordinary people such as the hokey downhome simple folks hoodwinked by the likes of Bush, Palin et al???

Billionaire Bush, millionaire Palin btw. In cahoots with the oil monoliths? Ordinary suckers you mean.

Claig thanks for agreeing with me.

They weren't hoodwinked by them. They are given a choice between two elitists candidates. Bush or Al Gore etc. They make a decision about which one will do less harm to their standard of living and quality of life. They know that many of them are "cabs for hire", but they live in the real world and have to make do with what is on offer.

Even Chomsky has an interview on youtube saying that it is wrong for the left to sneer at the Tea Party. He says they are people who have legitimate grievances, who have been deceived by "cabs for hire". he says that they are being offered the wrong solutions and that the left needs to try to convince them that the left has the correct answers.

It is wrong to right off any of the people as stupid and unworthy. That is what the elites, the billionaires and the "cabs for hire" do.

glasnost, they are all millionaires and billionaires. they are all on cushy expenses. What's new? There are "cabs for hire" on both sides. Vote for AV and start the process of enabling the ordinary people to have a voice.

hogsback . I think that we will have to disagree on that. I am with the public rather than the Chief.

No the left hasto be just that to convince the working classes it is on their side: ie. TO BE ON THE LEFT and not a pseudo third way con. Glad you agree with me claig. Please check out more info re. the unnaturalness of the working classes being rightwing. Yesterday I had the pleasure (?) of witnessing a neo fascist demo in the heart of the city in Italy where I live. These are kids from the underclass deprived of a voice by the third way pseudo left. A vacuum's been created by the left constantly moving to the right. Only way forward is by going backwards to the days of a REAL left alternative.

ousel, it is much worse than world domination. The billionaires and elites already have near world domination. They control much of the media and can push their messages and solutions to everyone. The stakes are bigger than world domination, which is why the rhetoric is about destruction of the planet, apocalypse, doom, destruction and annihilation. They tell us that the Second World War will be a walk in the park compared to global warming.

You are right to worry about the super food conglomerates and particularly the GM crowd. They are all a subset of the overarching philosophy that drives the global warming hysteria.

ousel, I think this is wrong
'a more likely explanation is this case is that people do not want to believe that climate change is caused by them, because then they might actually have to make some sacrifices and do something about it.'

Many people are happy to do as they are told. Many people believe that sorting out their cardboard and their rubbish into 9 separate bins is contributing to "saving the planet". They believe they are doing their bit. They want to reduce their "carbon footprint". But others ask questions and are sceptical. It turns out that they are in the majority, in spite of all the educational programmes on TV about climate catastrophe.

ousel, agree with you 100% about the food cartels and the GM companies. But I don't think it is about money and capitalism and profit, which is what left wingers will tell us. The elites and the billionaires already have enough money. All of these things are linked, including the pandemics. Money making is not the objective.

Grist to claig's mill banging on about climate change denial on a thread about the BBC. What's your agenda, claig? You manage to wheedle this argument in om most threads. It's absurd of you to even suggest that climate change has become an accepted dogma as it hasn't. The naysayers are now firmly in the ascendent and will be til the globe explodes due to..yeah you guessed it.