When will the BBC be held accountable for their lack of patriotism

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Why does this far-left propoganda group continually try to do Britain down?

Why can't they have more presenters who think like the majority of Brits - people who believe that Britain is truly great - indeed, the best country in the world.

People who believe in our institutions, who love the monarchy, who revere the military, who speak in hushed awe about the majesty of our traditions. Presenters who are over-awed by the silent beauty of our countryside, and the glory of our heritage and history. Why do they always use their sneering, supercilious, Guardianista attitude - this constant insinuation that Britain should always be taking the blame and apologising. Coincidentally, it seems to stem from the same sort of sneering middle-classery that is prevalent on MN...

The most recent, shameful episode is the Beeb trying their best to spoil the England 2018 bid. Now I have no time at all for football - I can't stand it - but I fully recognise how important it is for our economy, and also for our national psyche.

The sooner the BBC withers and dies the better. Sadly, it has gotten away with a miniscule 16% cut in the TV tax over 6 years. They will continue their ramblings for the foreseeable future.

exactly, AppleTrees, we naturally create our societies. Our human spirit creates societies that allow humanity and the human spirit to flourish. We are naturally repelled by evil and we create laws to lock up evil criminals and to punish their evil acts. We naturally crave justice, because the human spirit is good and just, and because God is good and just.

Nature is amoral though.. you have defined love as "good" which assumes there is an outside absolute "good". That's a human or divine creation. Love for offspring is practical and of survival.

Craig: you rely too much on your Christianity as a cogent force of argument when you don't need to, and when non Christians will always dismiss your premise and therefore your reasoning.

Hully, yes, a mother's live is biological, ot is hard-wired, in the genes i.e. it is natural, it is as nature intended, and lions and tigers and birds have the same instinct. It is universal, because it comes from God.

Yes, there are pickpockets and thieves and vultures, but they are in the minority, just like Mao. The natural majority tendency is good, the minority is evil.

Appletrees - But those bad things I mention above are as natural as the positive things we can do. Culture and civilisation are ways of reducing those negative behaviours.

We can see what happens in places where civilisation and civil society have broken down.

Society that benefit the WHOLE of society are not a particularly natural human behaviour - many societies benefit only small parts of that society.

Could you explain what God wanted? I have always found there to be quite contradictory interpretations. Which do you hold to be true and why?

AppleTrees, you are right. I don't need to, it detracts from the argument.

And claig, sadly, just because you repeat a thing over and over, it doesn't get to be true.

They are less normal. Being so outside of the norm allows us to isolate them and join to exclude them as pert of a society.. most criminals justify their crime, I was poor, she asked for it, he provoked me. They thereforel appeal to a sense of "good", reasoning, and acceptability within society. They acknowledge that social sense and the moral imperative, even if they break it.

The breakdown of society does not mean society is unnatural. Perhaps you are Mrs thatcher? Or perhaps you believe in the merits of benevolent ahem dictatorship?

They acknowledge what they know cultural mores and rules, told them since birth, to be.

Plenty of peolpe don't. Plenty of redistributionists out there.

Claig - you have a touching faith in humanities natural goodness which is tragically constantly challenged.

I wonder if the billion people suffering from starvation now, the millions who have died from famine SINCE the green revolution, and the populations of Afghnaistan, Iraq, Columbia, Mexico, South Africa, Chechnya, Somalia and former Yugoslavia would agree with that.

'Or had they perhaps all read the Thoughts of Chairman Mao?'

quite possibly. It wouldn't take them long to read his thoughts, and the thieving scumbags would probably agree with them

It is impossible to benefit the whole of society. The optimum is achieved with the maximum benefit. that is a natural goal.

Coalition - yes, I would have thought that all the evidence pointed to the remarkable nature of the small amount of goodness to be found worldwide rather than the opposite.

"Goodness" is a luxury.

Appletrees - Many of those things ARE normal in some societies - maybe only when those outside a particular society are the victim but not always.

Told to them since birth, hully? so who invented them? God?

that is a natural goal

Sez who? Jeremy Bentham? the Lord?

You must then believe in the merits of benevolent dictatorship. I believe Singapore was much admired by Margaret thatcher.

Told to them since birth, hully? so who invented them? God?

Oh come now. Once we began to live together in groups we discovered the necessity of co-operation. The large the groups - all the way up to mega cities - the greater the need for an agreed framework within which to operate.

You must then believe in the merits of benevolent dictatorship. I believe Singapore was much admired by Margaret thatcher.

who must?

every time I come back to have a look at this thread, you are some totally different topic lol

Says human nature. Whereas you seem to think the moral imperative was invented by the previous generation. Perhaps they received the information from alien astronauts.

And yes, I have read Bentham. Aren't we both awfully clever.

'Claig - you have a touching faith in humanities natural goodness'

I believe that most people are good. The people who get power often aren't good and do evil things. The devil tempted Jesus Christ and offered him soveriegnty over the world, which he turned down, and was crucified instead. He was for the poor, the downtrodden and the good.

I believe in God, it doesn't have to be a Christian God, any God, and I believe that goodness in nature comes from that God. I think there is a battle between that good and the evil on the earth. But I don't have any evidence-based research to back it up.

I believe in absolutes, like Plato. I believe in truth and justice and good, above and beyond this world, and this world is only a fraction of the absolute, and the absolute is God.