When will the BBC be held accountable for their lack of patriotism

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Why does this far-left propoganda group continually try to do Britain down?

Why can't they have more presenters who think like the majority of Brits - people who believe that Britain is truly great - indeed, the best country in the world.

People who believe in our institutions, who love the monarchy, who revere the military, who speak in hushed awe about the majesty of our traditions. Presenters who are over-awed by the silent beauty of our countryside, and the glory of our heritage and history. Why do they always use their sneering, supercilious, Guardianista attitude - this constant insinuation that Britain should always be taking the blame and apologising. Coincidentally, it seems to stem from the same sort of sneering middle-classery that is prevalent on MN...

The most recent, shameful episode is the Beeb trying their best to spoil the England 2018 bid. Now I have no time at all for football - I can't stand it - but I fully recognise how important it is for our economy, and also for our national psyche.

The sooner the BBC withers and dies the better. Sadly, it has gotten away with a miniscule 16% cut in the TV tax over 6 years. They will continue their ramblings for the foreseeable future.

Cross post, Claig. It reads differently with the extra lines and title.

sigh

The Lesson by Roger McGough.

Chaos ruled OK in the classroom
as bravely the teacher walked in
the nooligans ignored him
hid voice was lost in the din

"The theme for today is violence
and homework will be set
I'm going to teach you a lesson
one that you'll never forget"

He picked on a boy who was shouting
and throttled him then and there
then garrotted the girl behind him
(the one with grotty hair)

Then sword in hand he hacked his way
between the chattering rows
"First come, first severed" he declared
"fingers, feet or toes"

He threw the sword at a latecomer
it struck with deadly aim
then pulling out a shotgun
he continued with his game

The first blast cleared the backrow
(where those who skive hang out)
they collapsed like rubber dinghies
when the plug's pulled out

"Please may I leave the room sir?"
a trembling vandal enquired
"Of course you may" said teacher
put the gun to his temple and fired

The Head popped a head round the doorway
to see why a din was being made
nodded understandingly
then tossed in a grenade

And when the ammo was well spent
with blood on every chair
Silence shuffled forward
with its hands up in the air

The teacher surveyed the carnage
the dying and the dead
He waggled a finger severely
"Now let that be a lesson" he said

Your all a bunch of uneducated philistines who don't even know who Alan Moore is.

who is Alan Moore?

Another objectionable poem from that poet. He is without feeling for people, he despises them and calls them "vandals" and "hooligans", just as he called the patriots "nuts".

Was this poem published in a Bolshevik journal, because it is again indicative of these butchers disdain for humanity?

In fact it is very similar to the lesson taught to the children in the 1010 global warming advert "No Pressure". There is a similar disdain for people, who get blown up if they don't agree wholeheartedly with reducing carbon emissions. I wonder if the global warming advert people are also left wing?

'who is Alan Moore?'

is he Roger Moore's brother?

I loved that poem when I was kid.

Alan Moore is probably the UK's best known ceremonial magician and worshiper of Glycon.

my word is the OP for real?
(probably should have read the entire thread but the OP makes me feel queasy, do you really believe the vast majority of people hold those views?

nothing wrong with having pride in the country and wishing it to do well

but love the monarchy? why?
revere the military? by all means train and pay them well respect them at the same time as you scrutinize, but revere? seriously?
far-left propaganda group? they could not be more establishment if they tried

spoil the bid? by exposing corruption? and why would it be a good thing to host it?

other than provide empty 'glory' while distracting from real problems?

Roger McGough CBE. Quite well known actually. Hardly a "so called poet" and quite proud of his working class roots.

There may be some satire in some of my posts. But not all of them.

In some of them I'm just drunk.

satire/not satire.

YOU decide.

So you've got a bee in your bonnet about the BBC, LFN?

"Now I have no time at all for football - I can't stand it ..."

Now I personally think a little hushed awe is in order when it comes to football, (not to mention some of the daftest and purple-est prose I've ever come across in an OP anywhere).

I flippin' love Auntie Beeb. Anything that can nark Murdoch that much has got to be doing something right.

And to accuse it of being all left-wing..oh for goodness sake. You think Jeremy Vine's a liberal leftie???? Paxo? Clarkson? Even Thompson could be a poster boy for the Tories. But there are some lefties, and some righties. There's some quality and there's some dross. You can always find something to appeal to your political leanings and your tastebuds on one of the BBC channels.

And CBeebies alone warrants my licence fee. Nina & the Neurons, Numberjacks, Alphablocks.... Genius.

OMG, have read snippets of the whole race/genetics bit -- flabbergasted is not the word.

99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the world's population could practice every day for a decade and Usain Bolt would still beat them, Claig.... including those 'genetically similar'

mathanxiety - You should check out the Pensioner thread. There is an OP there who is so opposed to backing up their arguments that even CLAIG is doing better than them.

Speaking as a daughter, niece, grandniece and granddaughter of Irish members of the British armed forces, I can say that that 'yobbo' poem would have appealed to them, and they would have appreciated that such a poem could not have been written if British society had not gone through the experience of WWI:

'If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, --
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.'

Wilfred Owen 'Dulce et Decorum'

Those genetically similar to Usain Bolt would be able to perform similarly to Usain Bolt, because of their genes. But he is faster than all the other athletes on earth, who do practise every day, and 99% of those athletes will never beat him, because he is special and unique.

The Wilfred Owen poem is a different class and is not saying that the soldiers are "nuts", it is not like the 'International Socialism' poem, which is disrespectful and scornful of patriotic 'nuts'.

about Thatcher ''Although she played a crucial part in ending the Cold War, she sadly didn't have the opportunity to reshape Europe in the Anglo-American economic mould''

OMG it is really about the lost Empire isn't it?

'she sadly didn't have the opportunity to reshape Europe in the Anglo-American economic mould'

just as well for them, or they would have been skint like us. They had a lucky escape. If germany had followed thatcher's economic model, then they wouldn't have been able to bail Europe out as they are doing now.

The point is that Usain Bolt's ability is genetic but not racial.

A lot of distance runners come from the Rift Valley area of Kenya. This is thought to be partly genetic. It doesn't make all black people good distance runners.

Almost all sets of characteristics that we associate with a particular race are in fact independant of one another.

Race is an entirely social construct.

This idiocy is still going? Of course Usain Bolt is distinct. There's a whole extra debate to be had about spurious race/genetic explanations for sporting excellence but we won't go there.

The point is, claig, that you are conflating race with genetics, and conflating genetics with nation, and ALL of it is nonsense. And the actual evidence (did you look up haplothingummyjigs?) you choose to ignore.

I give up. This just reinforces my original point that right-wingers prefer to be a bit thick unquestioning.

I never said Usain Bolt's ability was racial, I said it was genetic. So we are in agreement that it is his unique genes that make him exceptional, not the fact that he practises 4 hours a day.

Of course, the Kenyan runners' ability is to do with their genes. That's why they are better at that than other African long distance runners. Not every Kenyan can run like the world champions, because they don't have the same genes as the world champions. Practising won't change things for them.

'Race is a social construct'
What does that mean? Do you think there is no difference between races? What about physical characteristics?

WilfShelf, believe me I'm not thick. I may even have scored higher than you in national exams, and would possibly outscore you in an IQ test.

The difference is, I don't think you are thick. I just think that you are wring, because you have believed the wrong information. I'm quite happy to debate any topic, but if you don't want to then that's fine.

what is haplothingummyjigs?

It means that we take a random bundle of physical characeristics, bundle them up and say "All those people are the same".

When in fact the characteristics are independant that the way we group them has no underlying biological justification.