God???

[MissBegotten]

got into a really heated debate with dh today, about the existence of God. i am unsure, used to have strong faith, but, i dont know, just have many doubts and unanswerable questions. Anyway. he was basically saying that there HAS to be a God, because the universe is too complex to have evolved by chance! So I asked him where did God come from? If the universe MUST have been created, then where could a being capable of creating a universe have come from - far to complex to have evolved and must have been created. But. then that means that there must be a being out there capable of creating a being capable of creating the universe. Which means - a being capable of creating a being capable of creating a being capable of creating the universe and so on ad infinitum!!!!

but if God can just be there, no creator, then the universe could just be there, no creator = no God anyway.

butif you believe the universe could not have evolved by chance - who created God and why dont we worship THAT entity (or the entity that created it etc etc??)

But if there is no god, how did the universe begin? first there was nothing, then there was something? the big bang? there was nothing in the emptiness then 2 bits of whatever crashed together and hey presto? from where?

my head hurts! So, basically, if there is a God - where did He come from?

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´Since I think it's not a great thing to rely on in most cases, the issue of how to distinguish is not important to me. I would think it is very important to you. ´

´But that's my idiosyncratic belief based on nothing but intuition.´

You mentioned that your belief is based on intuition and then that how to distinguish intuition is not important to you. How does that compare and contrast to you Bloss?

Yes, Intuition is important to me, especially atm as I am trying to develop it more, signposts in my spiritual life are encouraging me to do so. I do body work on myself which is really helping any pregnancy twinges of the 3rd trimester, this is quite an internally intuitive process. I find it really important within my relationship with my daughter and unborn child. My life is not solely lead by intuition but because the wilderness and environment are extremely important to me, and I feel to humanity - I also see it as my wild side that gives me wisdom and guidence. I am glad to express this - how would you express it within yourself?

Being intuitive for me is being switched on, an elemental awareness that brings me a wealth of key moments.

Your example of paedophiles is not just purely intuitive deduction, society has moral codes regarding paedophiles which says that it is wrong - so your example was also off the mark, hence providing in token my old flatmate who was an unwell women in the eyes of society.

What about gay sexuality? That is considered condoned in the Bible, yet there are gay Christians who obviously see otherwise. Where some feel disgust others see Love.

Lots of people talk to God. We all decide our personal benchmarks on their sanity, internally, from a perspective of belief or faith and from a societal standpoint.

How much of God comes from our human prejudices?

Perhap you might like to read the post Bloss on this thread - Sunday, 28 August, 2005 12:25:32 PM

Reference to intuition within

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'You mentioned that your belief is based on intuition and then that how to distinguish intuition is not important to you. How does that compare and contrast to you Bloss?'

The point is that it is a small matter and unimportant. Intuition is fine as a sole guide in such a matter. And frankly, I just muse about those things - it has no consequences.

So your faith in God is a small unimportant matter? Of no consequence? My turn to scratch my head!

I actually don´t see you as misguided Bloss. What I do feel is that I have the possibility to explore beyond the bible because I don´t have a faith/belief in God, but in an interest in energy.

Some people feel religion gives them freedom, when I have explored it and spent time in Christian settings - I feel boxed in because I don´t believe/feel the same way. I see so much more possiblity, and whilst I know that fractions of religions do explore at different levels, the evolution of humanity also requires for those interested, to spiritually evolve. I don´t belief the Bible offers enough for this to occur.

Anyway, I am happy to rest on this thread from my end, going on holiday shortly. I feel this is one sided conversation, as from my perspective you have evaded my questions and are not willing to comprehend beyond what you already know.

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'which colour do you think will save the world on his special day?'

any other questions?

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Instead of writing words which are contemptous, contrary and meaningless to you I drew a famous picture, but you did not like that either!! I could have spent 1 hour etc typing and getting more dimensionally metaphysical, but we both know we are apples and pears. Where is your sense of humour girlie!

And a picture tells a 1000 words apparently and your last post only had 328, so the picture is therefore very broad and acknowledged to a plethora of solutions.

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Touche, it appears we tease one another.

It can be so limiting the English language, not to mention only having 8 emoticons to select from. Perhaps we should continue this discussion upon my return in German, far more technically precise mmmm? On that departing holiday note, I must admit to not being affable with the white light concept you mentioned, nor ultra violet for that matter, texture on the other hand is more my playground. Nonetheless, am moderately appeased that we are pegging on a similar scalar note of attitude.