Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,

[Justmerach]

Hi, I was following the “Do you believe in God thread” and it seems to have been closed. I read a post and wanted to reply to somebody who said that Jesus is not the Son of God. I just wanted to reply to them that why in Christianity in the scripture that we know that Jesus is the Son of God and explain why in my faith scripture supports that Jesus Christ is Only true Son of God.

Jesus is the Son of God but was also a prophet. He is also the redeemer to come as this post will explain.

Let me first say first in all three faiths we share much of the Old Testament and believe in the same God. I remember this topic right from my university days comparative studies between all three faiths.

I want to share a document about the Messiah prophecies about Jesus Christ to come that are in the Old Testament and commonly used online.

The Messiah prophecies have all be attached can be clicked on saved and enlarged. It comes in five images.

The word Christ and its Hebrew parallel means the anointed one which Christ is. Not added to that document above and to come to your attention-The Rod of Jesse in Isaiah 11 is also a prophecy of Jesus Christ to come. The Rod of Jesse/root of Jesse was the last rod for Jews and culminated with the Lord. Christians on this rod are his followers itself. God’s famous rods started with Aaron which placed which was placed in the arc of Covenant as a reminder and bore flowers as a promise of regeneration for the Jews. Jesus became as Christians our vine and we became him branches in the New Testament (John 15).

A photo of the Rod of Jesse from a church collection willl be attched in the next post.

It is Jesus the redeemer and heir to David who will redeem us all and the Jews to from exile-Jesus is from the offspring and roots of David (Revelation 22: 16). Some Jews believe that the Messiah prophecies are for David to come, but this is inaccurate and it is Jesus who will redeem them. "I will set up thy seed after thee (after King David), which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son (2 Samuel 7 12-13). God in this scripture also called David his servant and said that his Son was to come.

This scripture further points that Jesus Christ will be the one to redeem the Jewish people. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, the Lord our righteousness Jeremiah (23: 1-6). David will return in the new Jerusalem (Hosea 3:4-5).

Jesus is also known as the Prince of Peace and more attributes which do not point to who is to come as being a mere mortal being and this is mentioned in (Isaiah 9:6). “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

God also confirms in the New Testament Jesus as his only Begeotteon beloved Son –“this is my Beloved only son who I am well pleased" (John 3:16 ). Then in Luke Jesus was asked to this question if was the Son of God and Jesus said that yes he is the Son of God (Luke 22:70). He does not lie and the God the Father simply does not lie as well.

The miracles and healing he gave as we all saw in the New Testament that Jesus Christ ministry gave are well known in the New Testament around 40 in number they were as recorded in the Bible and I saw too with my own eyes in church and in my life, the healing that he gave me. I saw a child who could not walk once an after a few times of healing work at church he started to walk again. This was a miracle of Jesus Christ in our era. It is Jesus Christ who primarily who approves the gifts of the Holy Spirit this as he is the head of the church who appoints these gifts and roles of ministry (Ephesians 4:11).

The Church Body which are made of human beings are the members of the church and Jesus is also the head of the Church and we are part of this body (Ephesians 1:22-23). He promised to send believers a comforter after his resurrection Christ as a Christian gave me the spoken comforter which is the Holy Spirit (John 4:11)? The comforter is the Holy Spirit you receive when you are baptised of water and spirit..

The Son of God is an expression which indentified Jesus of Nazareth as the being who has had an eternal relationship to his Father (Psalm 2:7 ) "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." Christ claimed to be the Son of God (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). This too makes clear that Jesus is the Son of God (John 5:18). Also in the New Testament the term the Son of God appears in the New Testament almost 50 times. God also confessed that Jesus was his son at his baptism and at the transfiguration (Matthew 3:16, 17; 17: 5). Jesus also said that he is the Son of God (John 4:15) Revelation (2:18) (John 20:31) (Matthew 4:3) (II Corinthians 1:19) (Luke 8:28), the Jewish Sanhedrin condemned Jesus for blasphemy (Matthew 26: 63-66); (Mark 14 :61).

Jesus also was eighty times called the Son of Man which means God and the Messiah for humans in the New Testament. In Psalm 80 he was also called the Son of Man and was to called the Son of Man throughout Ezekiel to.

Jesus came to life as a mortal divine being through an Immaculate Conception. Angel Gabriel told Jesus' mortal mother to be Mary that she would overpowered by the Holy Spirit and receive a child and that would be God's Son.

This story is found in the Gospels- (Luke 1:26-38)-" And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David". The book of Luke is considered a highly reliable historical source which I know nearly all my life and it is the word of God.

I think in some countries more signs of Christ and the Holy Spirit presence will convince more people that Jesus is the Son of God and that eternal life is near and they will a season at least a while and will stay like young cubs parked with a lion on grass with him.

More history confirming Jesus Christ life is the Dead Sea Scrolls-
The Dead Sea scrolls contain (Isaiah 53) prophecy which is about Jesus Christ life to come. These scrolls were found in caves south of Jericho in the Dead Sea are and contain Biblical evidence the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament. There are two scrolls Isaiah, one being complete. To our understanding of the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament times, and to a better understanding of Hebrew and Aramaic.

We have done the 1st resurrection of Christ and are waiting for the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) which will happen in a twinkling of an eye (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) and then will come the 2nd judgement and second coming and judgement and then New Earth/Heaven.

We should be working in the field till he comes-"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." (Matthew 24:20).

So it’s OK to ignore Proverb 3:5 and go directly against its instruction "do not lean to your own understanding"?

I am a Christian and for me Proverbs 3:5 is good for me. There is also faith involved as well. The person asking the question I assume was not a Christian and I used my Bible to say why some Christians can accept this without more scientific understanding of this event. I think that is fine. Also, I used the Bible explainations to refer people further if they wanted themselves to look into this more as I didn't need to do this myself.

If I haven't answered your question can you phrase it differenty.

I don’t know if I can put it any more clearly, but I’ll try.

Proverb 3:5 tells us to just have faith and not question what the Bible says or try to understand things. This is good for you and you don’t feel the need to look into it any further. Fine.

But some people do want to look into things more, and Proverb 18:15 encourages wise, intelligent people to seek knowledge and, as you put it, scientific understanding.

These two proverbs are contradictory, as @RedTagAlan pointed out. It would be impossible to follow both of them. Someone wise and intelligent seeking out knowledge and further understanding, as per 18:15, would be disobeying 3:5.

How does that make sense?

Jesus encouraged teaching himself and used to like to debate and educate people with his disciples about the Bible. Learning is good. Jesus also supported constructive criticism, but not people who liked to pull things apart and do nit picking and were not constructive.

I think we are encouraged to trust what the Bible says. Some people for example want to question what is beyond the Bible. If ones doesn’t understand the Bible then looking for an understanding is ok if it can be explained in the spirit of the faith. I went to university and majored and religion myself and learnt about several religions.

By "constructive criticism" and "if it can be explained in the spirit of the faith" you seem to mean that it’s only good to seek further understanding and explanation if you already accept the main premise. Why?

I'm surprised that someone with a university education doesn’t see the silliness of this. You say you studied other religions and presumably you don’t accept that they are correct, so I assume you asked challenging questions about them - but you don't seem to want anyone asking challenging questions about your own religion unless they already believe in it.

Someone referenced Harry Potter earlier. Trying to make different bits of the Bible (in entirely different genres, composed by different people living hundreds of years apart, handed down orally before being written down, preserved in texts of wildly different dates, and none of which are contemporaneous with the events they describe) is like obsessive fans pointing out discrepancies and plot holes in the HP universe and trying to reconcile them via mental gymnastics. When in fact JKR has said herself that she often got things wrong, sometimes changed things in later editions, and sometimes tried to add new information that explained apparent plot holes in later books. But mostly it’s because that as the series grew, she didn’t check earlier detail, or realised that a plot point from the first book just didn’t work with where she’d taken the HP universe since.

Well, the question someone asked was about the virgin birth and I showed them more about this and how can this be and I thought it best to refer them to Bible notes to look further into them if they chose to. I was not shutting refer research down by posting this information.
You have to remember this is religion which is spiritual .
Also there is a need to guard against sacrilegious things.
I am not anon online and am accountable for all my actions. I cannot write sacroreligion here and think that God doesn't know.
I think some people may want to know way beyond the scope of the Bible and that is may be if then they should if they want to have the faith trust God more.
I posted about science and God in another posts, working within the premise of the Bible.
I didn't ask questions well beyond the scope of any faith when I was studying multiple religions.

Please explain how there can be a virgin birth. I’m sure that wasn’t covered in biology class.

The contradictions interest me, because if it's a sin to ignore these "rules", there is an obvious issue when the rules contradict.

To digress a bit, although it would be good to get input from @Justmerach if they are up for it:

Mat 6:5-6 And when you may pray, you will not be as the hypocrites, because they cherish to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the broad places, that they may be seen of men; truly I say to you that they have their reward. But you, when you may pray, go into your chamber, and having shut your door, pray to your Father who [is] in secret, and your Father who is seeing in secret will reward you." (LSV)

A direct instruction from Jesus not to pray in public, but to do it in private. And the very next verse is this:

Mat 6:7-9 Andprayingyou may not use vain repetitions like the nations, for they think that in their speaking much they will be heard, therefore do not be like them, for your Father knows those things that you have need of before your asking Him therefore pray thus: Our Father who [is] in the heavens, hallowed be Your Name.....(LSV)

A contradiction in back to back sentences. Do not use repetitions, then straight away, say these words. And I presume they have to be repeated, unless the Lords prayer can only be said once.

So it's a sin to pray in public, it's a sin to use repetitions, and therefore it must be a sin to repeat the Lords prayer.

So every churchgoer, praying in public, repeating the Lords prayer is a sinner ?

An interesting point, is that so far as I can find in the NT, Jesus never leads a public prayer. Although he does sort of pray at the various crucifixion endings.

If you cannot pray from the heart Christ said if we struggle to pray a simple Our Father would be fine to do so. Your spirit sends the prayer to God in utterances that cannot be understood by us. God knows all your needs as Christ said before you ask him even, so by just saying the Our Father would commute to him your needs.

Under the old law people may have been praying on the street lengthy prayers that were in style that was legalistic and rigid.

Christ didn’t say you cannot say the Our Father more than once, it is was you feel is needed from your heart that counts the most and not a script set out of what to say/do. David would groan from his heart when he prayed, and personal prayers from a good place are respected.

It is the spirit of how you do things, if you want to pray for someone outside, if it is to help someone to support health and safety then there is no obstacle to this as this is what Christ is about. If you feel it would be better wait to get home to pray then do so.

Me, I think personal prayers are usually done in private. I have prayed for homeless people in the street who were Christian. We prayed together the Our Father and I wanted us to do it together. I wanted them to recount how to pray so it needed to be done then. Also, I like to give thanks to God sometimes to outside when something goes extremely well.

The idea is that I know some people who pray numerous prayers a day, thinking this will get them a better answer. They could pray over 20 prayers in one go. Five could suffice may be, saying more prayers doesn’t always mean that your prayers will be upheld anymore than if you simply said one or a couple, the most important prayers to you.

Also, this question of the virgin birth that somebody asked. I think it would be also may be an idea to refer the Vatican for they say about this under the Incarnation.
https://www.vatican.va/content/catechism/en/part_one/section_two/chapter_two/artcile_3.html

These discussions can’t progress successfully because the only ‘evidence’ of a virgin birth and Jesus being the son of God comes from the Bible which is not universally accepted as a reliable primary source and is therefore not proof of the claims being made.

The poster who believes in the truth of the Bible continually references that particular text as proof, so the discussion goes in a continual loop or circular logic as a PP described it.

@Justmerachin order to facilitate a proper debate you need to provide evidence of the divinity of Jesus and the virgin birth that is NOT the Bible or a document produced by a Christian faith group. People who do not believe in the Bible or the Christian beliefs will not accept your arguments based only on the Bible or Christian teachings. Point us to some independent, unbiased and preferably contemporary evidence so that the issues can be debated robustly.

@Justmerach

So we don't end up with walls of text, I will just quote parts if ok.

Quote : "If you cannot pray from the heart Christ said if we struggle to pray a simple Our Father would be fine to do so."

Where did he say this ? I am genuinely not familiar with this idea.

Quote : "Christ didn’t say you cannot say the Our Father more than once, it is was you feel is needed from your heart that counts the most and not a script set out of what to say/do."

The Bible is pretty clear. Do not use vain repetitions (LSV). We will likely debate where "vain repetitions" comes from here. So looking it up ( for the first time for me)

Vain repetitions: from Strongs G945 and G3361. stutter- not/without. So yup, that is " do not stutter", do not say more than once. I now agree that means do not rapidly repeat, so repeating with a decent gap is ok. I have no idea why "vain" was added. It's not in the Greek.

So yup, I agree it can be said more than once, Just not in a stuttering way. However, "it is not a script set out of what to say/do." The Bible literarily says, say these words.

Now this is interesting. Vain repetitions. The ISV bible translates that as "meaningless things like the gentiles do", Modern Litteral version says " do° not be repetitious just-like the Gentiles, KJV says "vain repetitions", DRV "speak not much, as the heathens", Bishops " babble not much, as the heathen do.".

So even different versions, from the same Greek (?) do not say the same thing.

Makes my head spin :-)

But your version is the correct one ?

I haven’t a clue what any of the Vatican article means but it doesn’t change the position that a virgin birth is a biological and medical impossibility. Doesn’t give any credibility to the bible?

This is it where Christ says that an Our Father for some may suffice as God knows our needs before we ask him.

(Matthew 6 KJV 8-9)
"Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name".

I think below from Google sums it up quite well to the meaning of the text.

"praying with empty, thoughtless, or formulaic words rather than sincere, heartfelt communication. Jesus warned against this "babbling" like the heathen, who believed that long, repetitive speeches would manipulate God into hearing them. It is not a prohibition against repeating prayers, but against lacking sincere intent.

You are looking for evidence, I think a faith is more than that and people can only convince themselves of a faith with their own spirit. I was just trying to post accurate information from scripture as I read a post earlier I wanted to respond that was closed so started another thread. It is about having a debate and getting accurate information out there using scripture.
Jesus warned against people just looking for signs and wonders. You have to have the faith or interest and they may confirm it to you.
There are confirmed miralces out there as you said you want written evidence. Lourdes has had 3 confirmed miracles. Bernadette Moriau never asked and was given one. The same happened to me by the Jesus Christ ministry for my nerves.
I will link to the miralces later.
Jesus Christ ministry today works through the word of God and the Holy Spirit and his church. Jesus said that he would send his followers the Holy Spirit after he departed earth. Christians are blessed with the Holy Spirit to their spirit and the faith may confirm evidence for you as well if you have the faith often, or sometimes not and they may call some people.

I have said this earlier. I have seen miralces in my own eyes happen in church.
This is link to the confirmed miracles.

https://www.magiscenter.com/blog/miracles-at-lourdes

Neither you nor the author of that article seems to understand what "scientifically validated" means! What proof do you imagine there was that there was any definitive causative link between the fact that the patients prayed at Lourdes, and their recovery?

@Justmerach. Sorry but I'm not interested in Catholic miracles and you are going off topic. Your post title is about confirming that Jesus is the son of God and my challenge to you is to provide valid source materials, other than the Bible or faith based documents, to support your claim and initiate a reasoned debate which is not based on faith as evidence.

Essentially you can’t prove Jesus is the son of God and I can’t prove he isn’t. I appreciate your faith stance and I’m glad it gives you a structure, but you can’t present it as a form of proof or evidence.

I know that Lourdes do quite a bit of testing with their miracles. I looked at one case last year and it wasn't confirmed and there procedure seemed stringent.
https://www.lourdes-france.org/en/the-miracles-of-lourdes/

https://www.lourdes-france.org/en/recognition-miracle/

Tbh, on this one I assumed three had been confirmed of the 70+ since I last looked which is a good thing I thought that article was an update. Anyway, I appreciate Lourdes work for this to as is.

Lourdes miracles - always very unlikely and unproven have nothing to do with whether Jesus was the son of god.

So what is the point in praying if HE already knows ?

Bluntly, OP, the fact that you think a blog is some kind of credible source explains why you seem to struggle with understanding that the existence of the Bible doesn’t prove the existence of a deity. Even glancing at the title of the site hosting the blog would show you that it is an apologetics institute!

The thread was about scripture and why in the scripture that it says that Jesus is the Son of God in the Christian faith. Some people may not be a believer or have another faith particularly Judaism or Islam which is Abrahamic and not be fully aware of what the scripture says about this and this was about updating knowledge on this and having a wider discussion if necessary. It has been taken a bit off topic with people asking for Jesus to be proven to them. That is beyond the scope of this thread really.

As for the Lourdes miracles-I believe in them. They have an official website were 72 are listed. I thought perhaps they went on to confirm 3, so excuse that. I already knew for years this known with Lourdes whether that other website exists or not. I haven't had time to dig into why they said 3 is confirmed. I thought it was update but it seemed to be not.

So, if anyone wants to go back to scripture-I would be happy to.

You still haven’t provided any evidence that Jesus was the son of god. I’ve said it’s an impossibility as it’s not medically or biologically possible but what’s your counter argument?

God having children doesn't represent holiness or oneness. End of.

This is primarily about scripture and and making sense of the scriptures what they say about Jesus being the Son of God.