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Justmerach · 19/01/2026 15:47

Hi, I was following the “Do you believe in God thread” and it seems to have been closed. I read a post and wanted to reply to somebody who said that Jesus is not the Son of God. I just wanted to reply to them that why in Christianity in the scripture that we know that Jesus is the Son of God and explain why in my faith scripture supports that Jesus Christ is Only true Son of God.

Jesus is the Son of God but was also a prophet. He is also the redeemer to come as this post will explain.

Let me first say first in all three faiths we share much of the Old Testament and believe in the same God. I remember this topic right from my university days comparative studies between all three faiths.

I want to share a document about the Messiah prophecies about Jesus Christ to come that are in the Old Testament and commonly used online.

The Messiah prophecies have all be attached can be clicked on saved and enlarged. It comes in five images.

The word Christ and its Hebrew parallel means the anointed one which Christ is. Not added to that document above and to come to your attention-The Rod of Jesse in Isaiah 11 is also a prophecy of Jesus Christ to come. The Rod of Jesse/root of Jesse was the last rod for Jews and culminated with the Lord. Christians on this rod are his followers itself. God’s famous rods started with Aaron which placed which was placed in the arc of Covenant as a reminder and bore flowers as a promise of regeneration for the Jews. Jesus became as Christians our vine and we became him branches in the New Testament (John 15).

A photo of the Rod of Jesse from a church collection willl be attched in the next post.

It is Jesus the redeemer and heir to David who will redeem us all and the Jews to from exile-Jesus is from the offspring and roots of David (Revelation 22: 16). Some Jews believe that the Messiah prophecies are for David to come, but this is inaccurate and it is Jesus who will redeem them. "I will set up thy seed after thee (after King David), which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son (2 Samuel 7 12-13). God in this scripture also called David his servant and said that his Son was to come.

This scripture further points that Jesus Christ will be the one to redeem the Jewish people. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, the Lord our righteousness Jeremiah (23: 1-6). David will return in the new Jerusalem (Hosea 3:4-5).

Jesus is also known as the Prince of Peace and more attributes which do not point to who is to come as being a mere mortal being and this is mentioned in (Isaiah 9:6). “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

God also confirms in the New Testament Jesus as his only Begeotteon beloved Son –“this is my Beloved only son who I am well pleased" (John 3:16 ). Then in Luke Jesus was asked to this question if was the Son of God and Jesus said that yes he is the Son of God (Luke 22:70). He does not lie and the God the Father simply does not lie as well.

The miracles and healing he gave as we all saw in the New Testament that Jesus Christ ministry gave are well known in the New Testament around 40 in number they were as recorded in the Bible and I saw too with my own eyes in church and in my life, the healing that he gave me. I saw a child who could not walk once an after a few times of healing work at church he started to walk again. This was a miracle of Jesus Christ in our era. It is Jesus Christ who primarily who approves the gifts of the Holy Spirit this as he is the head of the church who appoints these gifts and roles of ministry (Ephesians 4:11).

The Church Body which are made of human beings are the members of the church and Jesus is also the head of the Church and we are part of this body (Ephesians 1:22-23). He promised to send believers a comforter after his resurrection Christ as a Christian gave me the spoken comforter which is the Holy Spirit (John 4:11)? The comforter is the Holy Spirit you receive when you are baptised of water and spirit..

The Son of God is an expression which indentified Jesus of Nazareth as the being who has had an eternal relationship to his Father (Psalm 2:7 ) "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." Christ claimed to be the Son of God (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). This too makes clear that Jesus is the Son of God (John 5:18). Also in the New Testament the term the Son of God appears in the New Testament almost 50 times. God also confessed that Jesus was his son at his baptism and at the transfiguration (Matthew 3:16, 17; 17: 5). Jesus also said that he is the Son of God (John 4:15) Revelation (2:18) (John 20:31) (Matthew 4:3) (II Corinthians 1:19) (Luke 8:28), the Jewish Sanhedrin condemned Jesus for blasphemy (Matthew 26: 63-66); (Mark 14 :61).

Jesus also was eighty times called the Son of Man which means God and the Messiah for humans in the New Testament. In Psalm 80 he was also called the Son of Man and was to called the Son of Man throughout Ezekiel to.

Jesus came to life as a mortal divine being through an Immaculate Conception. Angel Gabriel told Jesus' mortal mother to be Mary that she would overpowered by the Holy Spirit and receive a child and that would be God's Son.

This story is found in the Gospels- (Luke 1:26-38)-" And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David". The book of Luke is considered a highly reliable historical source which I know nearly all my life and it is the word of God.

I think in some countries more signs of Christ and the Holy Spirit presence will convince more people that Jesus is the Son of God and that eternal life is near and they will a season at least a while and will stay like young cubs parked with a lion on grass with him.

More history confirming Jesus Christ life is the Dead Sea Scrolls-
The Dead Sea scrolls contain (Isaiah 53) prophecy which is about Jesus Christ life to come. These scrolls were found in caves south of Jericho in the Dead Sea are and contain Biblical evidence the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament. There are two scrolls Isaiah, one being complete. To our understanding of the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament times, and to a better understanding of Hebrew and Aramaic.

We have done the 1st resurrection of Christ and are waiting for the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) which will happen in a twinkling of an eye (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) and then will come the 2nd judgement and second coming and judgement and then New Earth/Heaven.

We should be working in the field till he comes-"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." (Matthew 24:20).

Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
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Justmerach · 04/02/2026 18:19

I am posting below the sermon I mentioned about how Angel Gabriel spoke to Joseph in a dream that it was God’s will for him to take Mary as a wife as Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost. This is the second supportive entry by a church minister. I found it interesting and had not heard it said in such a manner before.

To understand this sermon these scriptures may be helpful- Matthew 1.18-end and Matthew 1:20. I think that it was handled well.

So today we will be exploring the often
forgotten man of Christmas, Joseph, Jesus's earthly father, Joseph.

What was the significance of Joseph to the salvation story? And why is he not
spoken about often? An examination of the gospels reveals
that nothing is mentioned of Joseph in the gospels of John and Mark. Some
reference is made of him in the gospel of Luke but in relation to Mary and the
Christ child and the presentation of Jesus in the temple.
Beyond that not much else is said. Then there is the gospel of Matthew. It
is in this gospel that we hear who Joseph is and the part he plays in the
salvation story.

In the preceding verses of our gospel reading this morning, Matthew tracks
Joseph's lineage right back to the royal line of David and even further back to
Abraham. He does this to demonstrate to the Jewish audience that he was writing to at the time that Jesus is the fulfilment of the Old Testament
prophecies. He is the Messiah God promised that would come from the
lineage of David. And so Matthew sets the scene for the coming of Jesus into
the household of Joseph. Although Joseph was from the royal
lineage of David, we know he was not a rich man.

Some say he was a carpenter, but more likely he was a stonemason
that lived and worked in Nazareth. Nazareth was often derided as a place
where nothing good comes from. As Nathaniel, one of Jesus's apostles, was
quoted as saying, "Does anything good come out of Nazareth?"
Yes, it was the humble, often overlooked Nazareth that God chose to initiate his
salvation plan. Isn't that something? From the lowest of
places is often where we find God at work and his grace happening.
Joseph, the overlooked, taking forranted man of Christmas, was from Nazareth.

In 2019, and a slight segue for me, I was on pilgrimage to the Holy Land, and
I visited a number of historical and biblical sites of relevance to our
gospel reading. This morning was my visit to Nazareth and what would have been the homes of Joseph and Mary.

Mary's childhood home lies underneath the current basilica of the enunciation
where the angel Gabriel appeared to her and told her she was to bear a son.
Joseph's childhood home as well similarly was also underneath the
church of St. Joseph and the home was later to become the home of the Holy Family. These two locations were essentially 5 minutes walk apart. I know that because I did it. And you can imagine that would have meant that Joseph and
Mary probably knew each other as children. But what struck me visually was the symbolic sizes of those churches in comparison to one another. The basilica of the enunciation gives it away. It is a is monstrous in size.

Yet when I walked into St. Joseph's church, I was struck by the contrast and the understatedness of it. It looked and felt like a regular medieval church in England rather than one which with such historical and biblical significance to the Holy Family. It is this understatedness, the unassumed nature and taken forrantedness that draws parallels with who Joseph was.

Joseph, the often forgotten man of Christmas, the somebody that nobody talks about at Christmas.

Regrettably, Joseph is often overshadowed by other characters in the salvation story. Mary, the wise men, the shepherds, the Bethlehem star, angel Gabriel, and even the donkeys and the animals gets a mention before him. He is often relegated to a supporting act. Yet, Joseph's part in the salvation story, though small, is quite significant. Our gospel reading tells us that Joseph
was a just and righteous man. just in that he was a fair man, righteous that
he was in right standing with God. He feared and loved God according to the
Jewish law.

Now, this is quite important to note as we move through the gospel reading. He
was engaged to Mary to be married to her. And in Jewish customs, engagements were usually typically lasting a year due to the preparations that the groom would needed to put in place with his family before the bride came to live with them. It was legally binding.

Diaries would have been exchanged at that point. The intent to marry a formal document would have been read out in what was the town square between the families and in front of the town full of witnesses.

This was a big deal for Joseph and Mary. So imagine in that time of preparation
he discovered his intended bride is with child and is not of his own participation. We can imagine the shock, anger, betrayal and all sorts of emotions that would have been running through his mind. this just and righteous man who had been waiting so long for his bride find himself in a dilemma and was and what was compound what compounds that fact is that according to the law he's supposed to accuse Mary publicly which would have been a sentence a death sentence for her and he was duty bound by that law to be the first to take up the stone and stone her publicly as the aggrieved party.

However, Joseph's compassionate heart led him to choose not to public to
make her public spectacle as we heard in our gospel reading. He knew at that moment he couldn't go ahead with the marriage. But because of the love he had for Mary and by extension her family and the grave consequences for her life, scripture tells us he puts her away quietly. Essentially, he wants to divorce her quietly.

It would have meant probably sending her away to dist their distant relatives. We don't know. But he knew he couldn't participate in the punishment that would be need out on Mary. With this in mind, with his mind made up and on what he intended to do, he goes to sleep. And then we hear God through angel Gabriel completely foils Joseph's plan Proverbs 19:21 absolutely describes what's going on here that despite a person's many inner plans, desires, and intentions, only the Lord's purpose and counsel will
ultimately prevail.

This verse highlights the tension between human ambition and divine sovereignty, urgent submission to God's higher and wiser plan. Joseph's plan for Mary was out of sync of God's plan for salvation. Joseph is told, "Do not be afraid to take Mary and marry her." And that the child she's carrying is God incarnate. me paraphrase it that he should trust God to be obedient to God's will which was to bring about the fulfilment of prophecy and he was to have a part in its fruition.

Joseph's response was one of obedience. Perhaps even though he had said yes to God's plans, he may still have had his fears. He was human after all. As a Jew, he would have known about the prophecies and he was now in the knowledge that the prophecies were about to be fulfilled. What a privilege that must have been for him. But at the same time, a weight of responsibility
because he was going to be responsible for the Godchild and to raise him until
that time came for him or for Jesus to do God's will.

So, how does Joseph's story speak to us today? If we were Joseph, what would be our reaction? Would it be one of obedience as Joseph did? Would we trust God knowing the road ahead might be a difficult one? What would our lives look like if we chose God every day and followed his instructions?

Well, that's what this man of Christmas did. He chose God and said yes and fell
in line with God's plan. And he was credited with righteousness.
In the same way, his generational grandfather Abraham was credited with
righteousness for obedience to God. Without Joseph's obedience, just like
Mary's to God's to the will of God, the salvation story may have taken a different turn.

Mary would likely have been stoned to death, as was the custom of the Jews then. Yet Joseph in his actions and decisions gave us plenty to reflect on that when faced with situations that are difficult to understand or accept despite the precarious positions we find ourselves, we ought to choose to trust in God's plan for our lives, even when it doesn't make any sense. What that plan is how we spend time in God's in God's presence through prayer discerning what those plans are from God. Joseph's willingness to accept the divine revelation act accordingly shows a deep faith in God's wisdom and timing.

Joseph's decision to put not to put to put Mary away quietly rather than
publicly shame her demonstrates a heart filled with love and mercy. This teaches us the value of compassion and the importance of protecting others even when we are hurt or confused. Joseph's conclusions about Mary's
circumstances were based on his own understanding, which was not the complete truth. That we should leave room for God's truth to transcend our own conclusions.

We should let go of our worries and trust that God is in control. And when
we face difficult choices, we should lean on him.

Joseph's dilemma in our gospel reading offers profound lessons for us today.
His obedience in uncertainty, his compassion and mercy, his trust in God's
plan, his understanding of the nature of truth, and his ability to rest and trust
in God are timeless principles that can guide us through our own challenges and
uncertainties. So, as we reflect on Joseph's example,
may I encourage us to strive to embody these qualities in our own lives, I pray
that we may be inspired by Joseph's example and strive to live lives that
bring honour to God and reflect his love to the world.

Amen.

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Parker231 · 04/02/2026 18:46

@Justmerach

Isaiah 7:14 as "a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel," and detailing in Matthew 1:18-25 that Mary was found with child by the Holy Ghost before she and Joseph came together.
Matthew 1:23: "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

These are factually incorrect - why would anyone publish what is obviously not true . Doesn’t matter if it’s a scripture.

RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 02:35

Parker231 · 04/02/2026 18:46

@Justmerach

Isaiah 7:14 as "a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel," and detailing in Matthew 1:18-25 that Mary was found with child by the Holy Ghost before she and Joseph came together.
Matthew 1:23: "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

These are factually incorrect - why would anyone publish what is obviously not true . Doesn’t matter if it’s a scripture.

And the name was wrong.

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 04:46

RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 02:35

And the name was wrong.

They mean the same thing and either version can be used.

"Immanuel (or Emmanuel) is a Hebrew name meaning "God with us," symbolizing the incarnation of God in human form as Jesus Christ. While "Immanuel" is the original Hebrew spelling from Isaiah 7:14, "Emmanuel" is the Greek translation used in the New Testament (Matthew 1:23). Both are considered correct, referring to God's presence".

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RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 05:08

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 04:46

They mean the same thing and either version can be used.

"Immanuel (or Emmanuel) is a Hebrew name meaning "God with us," symbolizing the incarnation of God in human form as Jesus Christ. While "Immanuel" is the original Hebrew spelling from Isaiah 7:14, "Emmanuel" is the Greek translation used in the New Testament (Matthew 1:23). Both are considered correct, referring to God's presence".

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But Jesus was called..... Jesus. So he got the name wrong.

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 05:12

RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 05:08

But Jesus was called..... Jesus. So he got the name wrong.

Jesus can be referred to by other names as stated in the prophecy as well.

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Parker231 · 05/02/2026 05:19

Just shows what power religious beliefs have over people that common sense goes out of the window and they no longer question impossible statements written in a book with a variety of authors and languages. All myths and legends.

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 05:28

Parker231 · 05/02/2026 05:19

Just shows what power religious beliefs have over people that common sense goes out of the window and they no longer question impossible statements written in a book with a variety of authors and languages. All myths and legends.

It seems that religion may be something you struggle with, I give all faiths respect except for Satan worship and evil practice. Perhaps learn to let live may be and people are free to make their choices and the correct information on a faith is always good..

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Parker231 · 05/02/2026 05:33

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 05:28

It seems that religion may be something you struggle with, I give all faiths respect except for Satan worship and evil practice. Perhaps learn to let live may be and people are free to make their choices and the correct information on a faith is always good..

Am perfectly happy as an atheist but will never understand others lack of ability to apply reality and reasoning. Just because something is written in the Bible, it doesn’t mean it true. Do you not question other aspects of your life?

RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 06:29

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 05:28

It seems that religion may be something you struggle with, I give all faiths respect except for Satan worship and evil practice. Perhaps learn to let live may be and people are free to make their choices and the correct information on a faith is always good..

I think the death score in the Bible is about 3 million to God, Satan about 6 ? And that 6 were in a bet with God.

Then there is the Rapture that Christians want. Lets say 6.5 billion dead from that.

And it is Jesus who says people will be thrown into the fire. Satan only has a bit part in the Bible.

In any case, Satan does not exist. The Church of Satan is really a freedom from religion group.

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 10:36

RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 06:29

I think the death score in the Bible is about 3 million to God, Satan about 6 ? And that 6 were in a bet with God.

Then there is the Rapture that Christians want. Lets say 6.5 billion dead from that.

And it is Jesus who says people will be thrown into the fire. Satan only has a bit part in the Bible.

In any case, Satan does not exist. The Church of Satan is really a freedom from religion group.

Some Christians are going to rise up and see Jesus Christ in the clouds. Some say it may be the clouds..but it may be done more simply as well with effect. Deaths are not predicted to happen from the rapture. The rapture is told in (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) and then will be closer to the 2nd Coming of Christ and Second Judgement.

I want to say about Satan , there are two strands, one of those want to seem materialistic and do self worshp at heart over others (Satanism) and another which can include those who are hard core lets say. This is not a thread about this though.

In the book of Ephesians it tells us that there is evil in the world and principalities and power unseen in the spiritual world. Demons are real...however you can have evil behaviour and then be a real demon. The Gifts of the Holy Spirit helps to protect Christians from these threats and helps them to perserve to the end. The Holy Spirit gifts can include discernment of evil and protection.

In the New Testament Paul wrote this-(Ephesians 6:12)- "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places* *
In the Bible in Genesis before the flood God saw that the world was violent and he abhorred violence. Sons of Gods (fallen angels) where meeting daughters who were fair and created Nephilim who were violent and disorderly. God destroyed the world and the fallen angels were demons with kin (Genesis 6:1–4). The world was destroyed with the Noah flood.

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RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 11:56

Where did all these demons etc come from ? I thought there was just one god ?

I know, books of Enoch. But that's not in the Bible now. Just the Ethiopian Church has that book.

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 11:58

@RedTagAlan I have been thinking about Acts 5 when a couple lost their lives due to lying to an apostle when giving them money it was short and they was pointed out as lying by the apostle and the man fell dead. Then the woman was asked how much money from the land was given and she lied to and 3 hours later fell dead to.

I was wondering on this based on this-
They was not given forgiveness
It was killing
They were not before God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as such
They did not commit blasphemy unto the Holy Ghost
Jezebel and associates were given many chances to change by Christ in Revelations for their immorality which rated as immoral by God, lying doesn't appear to be as grave although it is a sin
When Aaron son's were consumed for defilement by God, they were before God at Yom Kippor I think.
Apostles can be sinful to they are human blessed with the Holy Spirit

I looked at it and have asked my minister their thoughts as someone said they lost their faith over this scripture. My minister told me before there are some portions of Acts that were in place because the church was in flux and not yet sorted out its missions with different perspectives.

I looked at it again today and I said before it was perhaps a test case to say that the church and ministers were to be respected and it wouldn't happen today. I said it was a difficult case. I have looked it again and the first line struck me..."A certain man named Ananias.."
The story doesn't somehow seem litreal to me and symbolic perhaps of how church ministers should be respected. I saw something on Jeremy Beadle recently for memories when a lady kept on falling on the floor in shock after another person in the wedding in the same dress.

So this case may be not litreal.
Some pastors have not said it didn't seem to fit the law and just taken it as litreal. If my minister says something different I will add it in.

"In Acts 5,
Ananias and his wife Sapphira represent a, cautionary, non-literal interpretation symbolizing hypocrisy and the danger of pretending to be more spiritual than one is, notes this article on TruthUnity. They falsely claimed to give all proceeds from a property sale, lying to the Holy Spirit, which led to their immediate deaths, highlighting that such actions are seen as lying to God"

Metaphysical meaning of Ananias (mbd) | Fillmore Faith

Metaphysical meaning of Ananias (mbd) Ananias, an-a-ni'-as (Gk. fr.

https://www.truthunity.net/mbd/ananias

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Wapentake · 05/02/2026 12:14

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 05:28

It seems that religion may be something you struggle with, I give all faiths respect except for Satan worship and evil practice. Perhaps learn to let live may be and people are free to make their choices and the correct information on a faith is always good..

So why are you so ill-informed about the cornerstone text of your own faith? And so unwilling to look into it? Do you think actual knowledge about the dating and cultural contexts of the Bible is going to damage your faith? Are you happy with having a faith that can only cohabit with ignorance?

I’m not even suggesting things like evidence for the existence of a historical Jesus here.

I mean things like the gospel of Matthew being primarily an attempt to bring the life and ministry of Jesus into line with the prophecies of Isaiah. There’s nothing faith damaging in that, it’s a matter of understanding the evidence for the gospels being written in a specific order (Luke and Matthew generally agreed to have been familiar with Mark’s) and why some early Jewish-Christian writers, when Christianity had not yet separated itself from Second Temple Judaism, wanted to establish Jesus as the Messiah prophesied in various OT sources.

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 12:21

RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 11:56

Where did all these demons etc come from ? I thought there was just one god ?

I know, books of Enoch. But that's not in the Bible now. Just the Ethiopian Church has that book.

This is in the Bible " There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6)

The Sons of God some they are fallen angels. I watched something on a Christian channel called Daystar and I caught it by chance as I didn't set out to watch it. It described how they were fallen angels. God makes angels spirits and they went against God and became evil. It is said in Psalm 104 that God makes his angels spirits. I use the KJV version myself and when you google Sons of God it came up angels. There are no more fallen angels in heaven and they are holy and not possible again to do what was done I read as well.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/who-are-sons-of-god-genesis-6/

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Justmerach · 05/02/2026 12:25

Wapentake · 05/02/2026 12:14

So why are you so ill-informed about the cornerstone text of your own faith? And so unwilling to look into it? Do you think actual knowledge about the dating and cultural contexts of the Bible is going to damage your faith? Are you happy with having a faith that can only cohabit with ignorance?

I’m not even suggesting things like evidence for the existence of a historical Jesus here.

I mean things like the gospel of Matthew being primarily an attempt to bring the life and ministry of Jesus into line with the prophecies of Isaiah. There’s nothing faith damaging in that, it’s a matter of understanding the evidence for the gospels being written in a specific order (Luke and Matthew generally agreed to have been familiar with Mark’s) and why some early Jewish-Christian writers, when Christianity had not yet separated itself from Second Temple Judaism, wanted to establish Jesus as the Messiah prophesied in various OT sources.

I am respective to my faith and I have given enough information on the incarnation from recognised sources which I didn't aim to steer into and don't need to go further and research this more and you can bring the material here yourself, but I do not need to read and do it. I am not here to write all that I know, but be respective to my faith and stay on topic and try and be open as I can. Don't assume what you think I may know or not. I didn't say I was a minsiter and you know nothing about me.

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Justmerach · 05/02/2026 12:41

This may be what I watched on Daystar on fallen angels before the flood on Sky freeview and it is 4 mins and they seem to like speaking about this topic.
They have a channel on Youtube. It is an open discussion and I don't read stuff evil very much,

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Parker231 · 05/02/2026 13:18

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 10:36

Some Christians are going to rise up and see Jesus Christ in the clouds. Some say it may be the clouds..but it may be done more simply as well with effect. Deaths are not predicted to happen from the rapture. The rapture is told in (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) and then will be closer to the 2nd Coming of Christ and Second Judgement.

I want to say about Satan , there are two strands, one of those want to seem materialistic and do self worshp at heart over others (Satanism) and another which can include those who are hard core lets say. This is not a thread about this though.

In the book of Ephesians it tells us that there is evil in the world and principalities and power unseen in the spiritual world. Demons are real...however you can have evil behaviour and then be a real demon. The Gifts of the Holy Spirit helps to protect Christians from these threats and helps them to perserve to the end. The Holy Spirit gifts can include discernment of evil and protection.

In the New Testament Paul wrote this-(Ephesians 6:12)- "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places* *
In the Bible in Genesis before the flood God saw that the world was violent and he abhorred violence. Sons of Gods (fallen angels) where meeting daughters who were fair and created Nephilim who were violent and disorderly. God destroyed the world and the fallen angels were demons with kin (Genesis 6:1–4). The world was destroyed with the Noah flood.

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When are we getting this 2nd coming - that I would like to see.

Parker231 · 05/02/2026 13:20

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 12:25

I am respective to my faith and I have given enough information on the incarnation from recognised sources which I didn't aim to steer into and don't need to go further and research this more and you can bring the material here yourself, but I do not need to read and do it. I am not here to write all that I know, but be respective to my faith and stay on topic and try and be open as I can. Don't assume what you think I may know or not. I didn't say I was a minsiter and you know nothing about me.

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Why do you believe in the scriptures - what evidence to you have of their truth?

Wapentake · 05/02/2026 13:22

Parker231 · 05/02/2026 13:20

Why do you believe in the scriptures - what evidence to you have of their truth?

Not to mention what ‘respective to my faith’ might mean, other than it seems to imply that acquiring basic knowledge about it is somehow ‘not respectful’.

RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 13:23

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 12:41

This may be what I watched on Daystar on fallen angels before the flood on Sky freeview and it is 4 mins and they seem to like speaking about this topic.
They have a channel on Youtube. It is an open discussion and I don't read stuff evil very much,

If there is stuff you won't read, how will you learn ?

Re Acts 5 and Ananias and Sapphira, you appear to have just accepted what your pastor said. In my case, that was not enough, and I started to read about the history of the Bible. As @Wapentake says, the history and order of the books matter.

Mark was first written. And the first part of Acts was maybe next, as I recall. So what I did was read Mark alone, with an empty head, and acts 5 made total sense then. The padding of matt and Luke change the story. As for John: pure Gnostic invention written approx 60 years minimum after Jesus.

Do you ever wonder why some parts are absolute literal fact, others are handwaved away ? As your pastor done with acts 5. How about Acts 4, Matt 6, John 1 ? Why can't we just hand wave them away.

And here is the thing. You keep saying we need to learn more, or that poster must study this way, but you do not seem willing to consider that perhaps other folk did study parts in more detail, and that is why we are atheist, agnostic, or converted to another faith.

I was not willing to hand wave acts 5 away. And because of that, I came to realize the entire book is nonsence.

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 13:27

Parker231 · 05/02/2026 13:20

Why do you believe in the scriptures - what evidence to you have of their truth?

Nobody know when the 2nd coming is going to be and not even the Son. We are told to watch for the signs and they are in Matthew 24 and the Revelations of things to come. Some people who are Christians say that we are somehwere in the end times now and times of afflication as well.There will be signs like diverse wars and famine etc.

The rapture will happen in “the twinkling of an eye” (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). Scripture nowhere encourages us to try to determine the date of Jesus’ return. Rather, we are to “keep watch, because we do not know on which day our Lord will come” (Matthew 24:42). We are to “be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when we do not expect Him” (Matthew 24:44).

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Justmerach · 05/02/2026 13:36

Parker231 · 05/02/2026 13:20

Why do you believe in the scriptures - what evidence to you have of their truth?

I do believe yes because of faith, trust and later evidence. I love Isaiah 46 and God tells the truth.
In my teens I used to serve in a church briefly like the Gifts of the Holy Spirit church giving messages from God using the gift of prophecy. This was only for the church and my personal life for me only and this role is not like it used to be with major and minor prophets. I saw great mysteries that were sent to me and verified by mature staff. This explains more about it at the end.

https://mycharisma.com/spiritled-living/why-the-gift-of-prophecy-is-crucial-for-the-believer/

I was given my gifts and it fantastic holy ceremony during those few days. I wasn't a minster and God was good to me primarily I was told to protect me in my lfie as I needed it. The mysteries I saw were not of this world.

Later I had messages of visions of the Holy Spirit and Son sent to me by the Holy Spirit to my spirit who showed me. I have had healing without asking for my nerves. All this is down to Christ who is the head of the church. I have had other wonderful things to. I need no more and they have done enough. My spirit works closely with me and has protected me to. I am a parishoner today and not serving in the church. I have seen it with others to confirmed by others. The Holy Spirit is a great gift to be given.and they are alive in the church as I have felt them there recently.

Why the Gift of Prophecy Is Crucial for the Believer - Charisma Magazine Online

If you don't think you need it, read this.

https://mycharisma.com/spiritled-living/why-the-gift-of-prophecy-is-crucial-for-the-believer/

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Justmerach · 05/02/2026 13:42

Wapentake · 05/02/2026 13:22

Not to mention what ‘respective to my faith’ might mean, other than it seems to imply that acquiring basic knowledge about it is somehow ‘not respectful’.

I am not criticising anybody but a post mentioned about sperm@ now I cannot write about this in context of faith without taking lead. On the face it doesn't seem spiritual and holy to me. Your words can be sharp in places at times without good cause. You say you used to have the faith. You can do some research yourself. I saw a video of a pope on this but I didn't watch it as they get AI on there and didn't know why it was not on the vatician and they do tricks. Look around may be and post respectful research as it seems like your hot topic.

Is this an original video, I have not watched it but it seems short.

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Justmerach · 05/02/2026 13:49

RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 13:23

If there is stuff you won't read, how will you learn ?

Re Acts 5 and Ananias and Sapphira, you appear to have just accepted what your pastor said. In my case, that was not enough, and I started to read about the history of the Bible. As @Wapentake says, the history and order of the books matter.

Mark was first written. And the first part of Acts was maybe next, as I recall. So what I did was read Mark alone, with an empty head, and acts 5 made total sense then. The padding of matt and Luke change the story. As for John: pure Gnostic invention written approx 60 years minimum after Jesus.

Do you ever wonder why some parts are absolute literal fact, others are handwaved away ? As your pastor done with acts 5. How about Acts 4, Matt 6, John 1 ? Why can't we just hand wave them away.

And here is the thing. You keep saying we need to learn more, or that poster must study this way, but you do not seem willing to consider that perhaps other folk did study parts in more detail, and that is why we are atheist, agnostic, or converted to another faith.

I was not willing to hand wave acts 5 away. And because of that, I came to realize the entire book is nonsence.

People can have favourite topics. Not everybody will know every passage in the Bible as well and we are all learning. Myself I know some things about evil, I know what I am comfortable with in Revelations-Jezebel, the daughter of blasphemy, the spirtual realm of evil. The dragon/Satan itself I gloss over and know the basics of this at least. I will tell you I have a sensory condition and am diagnosed with autism. Evil too much of it is not good for my senses.

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