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Do you believe in god?

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Unicorndreams24 · 04/01/2026 23:14

i have recently been thinking a lot about religion and wondering how many believe in god and also what made you come to the decision of believing?

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Parker231 · 08/01/2026 05:20

GarlicSound · 08/01/2026 05:00

Eh? Is this a mistype, or did you forget to include a crucial part?
I'm not sure anyone's had a life with nothing negative!

Missed out the bit about no difference in life or death as a believer or non believer. Good and bad happens regardless. Religious beliefs have no impact on that.

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 05:49

ActiveTiger · 08/01/2026 02:27

Yes I believe in god and find it bizarre that people would think god is cruel for decisions humans make that can bounce back badly. Science hasn't proved evolution even Stephen Hawkins thru his whole life kept chopping and changing between evolution and creation depending what his findings proved of one or the other at the time as have many other famous scientists. Sadly I don't believe in all religions because if your a Catholic to me then why do Catholics fight Catholics in wars yet claim to follow the same bible and teachings, no unity, all pomp and ceremony far removed from what Jesus claims to be. Another thing thing that bugs me I was recently at a funeral of a young man killed in a motorbike crash and the vicar said god called him and he is now in heaven. Hmmm my mind says no the guy made a bad choice speeding and sadly paid the consequence nothing to do with the spin of god calling him and again differs from the written word what happens when we die. Anyway that's only my thoughts, I duno to many make there own interpretations up as they go along so a lot doesn't make sense on the surface and even more less sense once you start digging

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If this god is so amazing and not cruel, why does he let babies get sick and die or let people suffer who have done nothing wrong.
Cruel and disgusting imo - can’t understand why anyone would worship such a horrible thing.

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 06:01

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 07/01/2026 13:32

I can. The world can be a very cold and harsh place. People literally get away with murder. It can be very comforting to believe that those who have transgressed will eventually get their comeuppance. Also that despite everything, there's someone out there who will always love you and care for you and help you out when you really need it.

Many people are also afraid of dying,and so being told that your death won't actually be the end of you gives hope. Particularly if you add in the promise that after your death you'll be reunited with the loved ones you have already lost.

Those are all very comforting thoughts and it's this kind of thing that (most) religions promise, one way or another. It's this hope of things being better is what makes those religions so attractive. It's also why people buy lottery tickets.

It’s only their belief - believing doesn’t change the outcome. Good and bad happens regardless. A religious belief isn’t going to change that. A person isn’t a better person because they are a Christian.

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 06:19

ByLovingTraybake · 07/01/2026 09:49

I was actually accused of this on another thread, and I’m sorry you feel that way. I think sometimes Christians communicate differently — our style of sharing faith or hope can sound unusual compared with the usual ways people converse. Those who know me in real life or via direct messages would say that my sinful heart is very much human!

Its sad that you feel that you have a sinful heart. There’s no sin in mine. Sin is a made up concept to make people feel bad about what they’ve done.

ByLovingTraybake · 08/01/2026 06:24

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 06:19

Its sad that you feel that you have a sinful heart. There’s no sin in mine. Sin is a made up concept to make people feel bad about what they’ve done.

I appreciate your post and that we simply have different beliefs on this. Thank you so much for sharing!

ByLovingTraybake · 08/01/2026 06:26

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 06:01

It’s only their belief - believing doesn’t change the outcome. Good and bad happens regardless. A religious belief isn’t going to change that. A person isn’t a better person because they are a Christian.

And that’s the crux: Christians would say that we are indeed no better, because we too are sinners. We just have a different belief on where we take that, and the outcome.

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 06:30

ByLovingTraybake · 08/01/2026 06:26

And that’s the crux: Christians would say that we are indeed no better, because we too are sinners. We just have a different belief on where we take that, and the outcome.

Well if Christians are no better than those of us who aren’t - they need to try harder🤣

Saying someone is a sinner, is just a way to make them feel bad. It’s a derogatory term. Not the type of language you should use about anyone.

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 06:31

ByLovingTraybake · 08/01/2026 06:24

I appreciate your post and that we simply have different beliefs on this. Thank you so much for sharing!

Am feeling good that I’m not a sinner!

ByLovingTraybake · 08/01/2026 06:50

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 06:30

Well if Christians are no better than those of us who aren’t - they need to try harder🤣

Saying someone is a sinner, is just a way to make them feel bad. It’s a derogatory term. Not the type of language you should use about anyone.

Thank you so much for your post. In Christianity, it isn’t meant as a way of saying “you’re worse than me.” It’s actually the opposite. It’s a way of saying none of us are morally self-sufficient, including me. Christians aren’t saying “you’re a sinner and I’m not” — we’re saying “I am, and I needed rescuing.” That’s where Jesus comes in, with grace.

That’s why I don’t feel bad about it (or guilt) and I don’t feel superior. If anything, it takes away the right to look down on anyone. This is a different perspective that may not be shared but I am just trying to explain what many of us believe.

ByLovingTraybake · 08/01/2026 06:56

RedTagAlan · 08/01/2026 04:01

Eph 2:8 for by grace you are saved, through faith, and this [is] not of yourselves--[it is] the gift of God,

Eph 2:9 not of works, that no one may boast;

Eph 2:10 for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus on good works, which God prepared before, that we may walk in them.

All LSV

Good catch that @ByLovingTraybake

I can't dispute your point at all. Or can I ? What else does the NT say ?

How about this-

Mat 6:19 -21 "Do not treasure up to yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust disfigure, and where thieves break through and steal, but treasure up to yourselves treasures in Heaven, where neither moth nor rust disfigure, and where thieves do not break through nor steal, for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." (LSV)

And there is this bit

Col 3:24 "having known that you will receive the repayment of the inheritance from the LORD--for you serve the LORD Christ;: (LSV)

Revelation gets in on it too

. Rev 22:12 Behold, I come quickly, and My reward [is] with Me, to render to each as his work will be;" (LSV)

2 Corinthians-

2Co 5:10 "for it is necessary for all of us to have appeared before the judgment seat of the Christ, that each one may receive the things [done] through the body, in reference to the things that he did, whether good or evil; "(LSV)

Luk 6:23 "rejoice in that day, and leap, for behold, your reward [is] great in Heaven, for according to these things were their fathers doing to the prophets." (LSV)

Mat 10:42 "and whoever may give to drink to one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, truly I say to you, he may not lose his reward."" (LSV)

And certainly not last but it's cold here and my CTRL C CTRL V fingers are a bit stiff, so this will have to do for now-

Mat 16:27"* For the Son of Man is about to come in the glory of His Father, with His messengers, and then He will reward each according to his work*." (LSV)

So yes, while you say there is no brownie point system in place, and you found a great verse that backs you up, it appears the Bible as a whole says there is such a system in place.

That last verse I quoted. That's Jesus himself saying it "He will reward each according to his work."

Would you agree, that while you don't think there is a brownie points thing going on, that other people who read the Bible might think there is? Especially given that Jesus himself said that is how the system operates.

This whole concept of being rewarded for good works is pretty much the major theme of the whole thing. Earn brownie points on earth, get into Gods exclusive country club.

We wont mention what happens to the people who don't get into the country club. We can do the wailing and gnashing of teeth stuff later.

Thank you so much for your thoughtful post. I do agree with you that someone could read these verses and think Christianity is a brownie-points system. That’s not a strange reading, and Jesus’ language does invite the question, but only where we look at verses in isolation.

Where I think the disagreement is, is what kind of “reward” Jesus is talking about — and whether “reward” is doing the work of getting you into heaven, or something else. Because when you read these passages in context, Jesus consistently assumes people are already inside the relationship, and he’s talking about faithfulness within it, not earning entry. Let me try to show what I mean, passage by passage.

Matthew 6:19–21 — This sounds like classic points language at first glance — but notice what Jesus actually ties treasure to: “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” (NIV). Noticeably, Jesus doesn’t say: “Store up treasure so you can get into heaven.” He says: “What you treasure shows where your heart already is.” So treasure isn’t a currency that buys heaven — it’s a diagnostic of allegiance. If this were about earning entry, Jesus would be teaching a salvation strategy. Instead, he’s teaching what a transformed / saved heart values. That’s why, a few verses later, he warns that religious actions done for show receive no reward at all (Matthew 6:1).

Colossians 3:24 — This verse actually cuts against a works-based system. “You will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.” (NIV). An inheritance, by definition, isn’t earned; it’s received by virtue of belonging. Paul isn’t telling people how to qualify as heirs; he’s encouraging people who already are heirs to serve faithfully, even in unjust circumstances. If Paul meant “you earn heaven by working hard,” calling it an inheritance would be a strange and misleading word choice.

Revelation 22:12 — This is probably the strongest-sounding verse, but Revelation itself tells us how entry is decided before this verse. Just a few verses earlier: “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life.” (Revelation 22:14, NIV) And elsewhere in Revelation: “Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:15, NIV). The Book of Life determines who belongs already. So when Jesus says his “reward is with him,” he’s not saying, “I’ll decide who gets in based on works.” He’s saying, “I’m coming to set things right for those who are already mine.

2 Corinthians 5:10 — This one sounds strange, until you notice who Paul is talking to. This letter is written to believers, ie the same people Paul elsewhere says face “no condemnation” (Romans 8:1). So this judgment cannot be about salvation. Paul even spells this out elsewhere: “If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved.” (1 Corinthians 3:15, NIV). Saved, despite poor works. That alone makes “works get you into heaven” impossible within Paul’s framework.

Luke 6:23 — This one actually challenges the brownie-points idea in a different way. The “reward” is given for being hated, excluded, insulted or rejected. Those aren’t moral achievements. They’re costs of allegiance. Jesus isn’t saying, “Congratulations, you’ve accumulated virtue.” He’s saying, “If loyalty to God costs you everything now, God will not forget you.” That’s not wages; it’s justice. And he explicitly grounds it in identity: “That is how their ancestors treated the prophets. Prophets weren’t earning their way into God’s favour. They were persecuted because they already belonged to God.

Matthew 10:42 — If salvation were the reward here, then eternal life could be earned with a glass of tap water and moral seriousness collapses. Jesus deliberately chooses a trivial act to make the opposite point: God notices faithfulness, not because it merits heaven, but because relationship matters. This verse doesn’t help as a salvation economy, but it makes sense as reassurance that nothing done in loyalty to Christ is invisible.

Matthew 16:27 — This sounds decisive until you read what comes immediately before it: “Whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.” (v.25) Jesus isn’t describing a merit ladder. He’s describing total self-surrender. The “reward” is God publicly affirming that losing your life for Christ was not foolish or wasted. Again, this is justice and restoration, not entry.

So, I’d agree that the Bible talks constantly about reward. But I don’t think it ever talks about earning heaven via works or deeds. Instead, it consistently says you don’t earn belonging, you receive it. You are brought in by grace, and because God is not indifferent, nothing done in love or faithfulness is meaningless. If Christianity were really about earning heaven, Jesus’ death is unnecessary. If Jesus’ death is necessary, then reward must mean something other than “getting in.”

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 06:56

ByLovingTraybake · 08/01/2026 06:50

Thank you so much for your post. In Christianity, it isn’t meant as a way of saying “you’re worse than me.” It’s actually the opposite. It’s a way of saying none of us are morally self-sufficient, including me. Christians aren’t saying “you’re a sinner and I’m not” — we’re saying “I am, and I needed rescuing.” That’s where Jesus comes in, with grace.

That’s why I don’t feel bad about it (or guilt) and I don’t feel superior. If anything, it takes away the right to look down on anyone. This is a different perspective that may not be shared but I am just trying to explain what many of us believe.

I’m morally self sufficient - don’t need religious rules to tell me how to behave. As I’m not a sinner, I don’t need rescuing.

GarlicSound · 08/01/2026 07:00

Back to cherry-picking. This time, homosexuality.
Courtesy of Google, which tries very hard to step delicately around the matter in in its comments:

Old Testament
Leviticus 18:22:
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" (ESV).
Leviticus 20:13:
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them" (ESV).

New Testament
Romans 1:26-27:
Describes women and men exchanging "natural" relations for "unnatural" ones, involving "burning in their desire for one another," often interpreted as describing same-sex acts.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10:
Lists various wrongdoers, including "men who practice homosexuality (or effeminate, or practicing sodomy)" (arsenokoitai) and "men who practice homosexuality (or effeminate, or practicing sodomy)" (malakoi).
1 Timothy 1:9-10:
Also lists categories of offenders, including "men who practice homosexuality (or effeminate)" (arsenokoitai and malakoi).

Along with slave-keeping, submission of women, and various other rules/laws that may look brutal to us but are still prevalent in much of today's world, the bible does advocate good manners and trying to be helpful. But if you believe this hefty tome is the word of your god and you trust his guidance, what gives you the right to decide you'll ignore a bunch of his edicts?

I doubt any of you live by all its rules, even if you limit yourself to the Nicer Testament - a risky choice in itself. Google tells me it fulfils and surpasses the Old Covenant, which humanity failed to keep, demonstrating God's superior grace and faithfulness. Neither Jesus, nor his spokesmen, ever said words to the effect "ignore the old Mosaic law, it's a load of bloodthirsty crap with nasty rules" though, did they.

So if you aren't homophobic, don't approve of slavery and reckon it's okay for women to speak loudly ... you're a heretic, aren't you? Does this worry you at all?

ShetlandishMum · 08/01/2026 07:00

Yes.
I believe in God. I trained to be a vicar. Worked as a vicar untill my health became too bad.

ByLovingTraybake · 08/01/2026 07:01

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 06:56

I’m morally self sufficient - don’t need religious rules to tell me how to behave. As I’m not a sinner, I don’t need rescuing.

Thanks so much for your post and for sharing your thoughts! I appreciate you being honest about your views, and our difference in perspective shows how fortunate we are to have freedom and expression of belief. It has been so interesting hearing the reason for your views too. Thank you!

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 07:03

ByLovingTraybake · 08/01/2026 07:01

Thanks so much for your post and for sharing your thoughts! I appreciate you being honest about your views, and our difference in perspective shows how fortunate we are to have freedom and expression of belief. It has been so interesting hearing the reason for your views too. Thank you!

From reading this thread I have the reassurance that life is so much better as an atheist.

RedTagAlan · 08/01/2026 07:03

ByLovingTraybake · 08/01/2026 06:50

Thank you so much for your post. In Christianity, it isn’t meant as a way of saying “you’re worse than me.” It’s actually the opposite. It’s a way of saying none of us are morally self-sufficient, including me. Christians aren’t saying “you’re a sinner and I’m not” — we’re saying “I am, and I needed rescuing.” That’s where Jesus comes in, with grace.

That’s why I don’t feel bad about it (or guilt) and I don’t feel superior. If anything, it takes away the right to look down on anyone. This is a different perspective that may not be shared but I am just trying to explain what many of us believe.

I am an atheist, a Christian apostate. I am here online saying the Bible is made up rubbish. Jesus might have existed as a man, but he was no son of god, because there are no gods.

Am I a sinner ? And if so, what does the Bible say should happen to me ?

Did Jesus say anything about it ?

RedTagAlan · 08/01/2026 07:10

ShetlandishMum · 08/01/2026 07:00

Yes.
I believe in God. I trained to be a vicar. Worked as a vicar untill my health became too bad.

I hope you will be joining in the chat about what the Bible does or does not say.

:-)

Bluecrystal2 · 08/01/2026 07:20

There are over 10,000 religions in the world. Near death experiences are very well researched, but everyone interprets them according to their own beliefs.

We're asked to believe in something with no proof. The bible is just a book written by 40 authors over a thousand years ago.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 08/01/2026 07:47

aliceinawonderland · 07/01/2026 19:07

@MrsSkylerWhite
The difference is that we KNOW that Santa isn’t real, whereas there is no proof that a higher entity does not exist.

We know Santa doesn’t exist because as we grow up we discover that actually parents provide the gifts. There is then no evidence that he exists. We know there is no higher entity because as we grow up we discover that the stories in the bible were written centuries afterwards by men, and that their motivation was not of helping but of control and enrichment.

To follow your Santa analogy, the believers need to provide evidence that there is a higher entity (or that their particular higher entity out of the thousands that are believed). It’s not for non believers to prove a negative.

RedTagAlan · 08/01/2026 07:51

@ByLovingTraybake

So you went through all the verses I quoted re brownie points for heaven, basically doing the " look at the context", the "that does not mean that" the "but this other verse says", then at the end of all that hand waving, you say:

" So, I’d agree that the Bible talks constantly about reward. But I don’t think it ever talks about earning heaven via works or deeds. Instead, it consistently says you don’t earn belonging, you receive it. You are brought in by grace, and because God is not indifferent, nothing done in love or faithfulness is meaningless. If Christianity were really about earning heaven, Jesus’ death is unnecessary. If Jesus’ death is necessary, then reward must mean something other than “getting in.”"

You agree the bible talks constantly about reward.

If I was a TV lawyer cross examining you, this is where I would say " I rest my case m'Lord"

It's good that you mentioned Rev 22.

Rev 20:15 " and if anyone was not found written in the Scroll of Life, he was cast into the lake of the fire" .(LIV)

At last, we are getting to the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Because the Bible also talks about that a lot. What happens to the people without enough brownie points. Or enough " reward stored in heaven", if you prefer that term to "brownie points".

To quote another part you said, I have already quoted above, but it is of note:" If Christianity were really about earning heaven, Jesus’ death is unnecessary. If Jesus’ death is necessary, then reward must mean something other than “getting in.”"

I think we are getting somewhere. Jesus’ death is unnecessary.

:-)

I put the smile at the end not to mock, but to acknowledge that this is friendly discussion.

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 08:22

RedTagAlan · 08/01/2026 07:51

@ByLovingTraybake

So you went through all the verses I quoted re brownie points for heaven, basically doing the " look at the context", the "that does not mean that" the "but this other verse says", then at the end of all that hand waving, you say:

" So, I’d agree that the Bible talks constantly about reward. But I don’t think it ever talks about earning heaven via works or deeds. Instead, it consistently says you don’t earn belonging, you receive it. You are brought in by grace, and because God is not indifferent, nothing done in love or faithfulness is meaningless. If Christianity were really about earning heaven, Jesus’ death is unnecessary. If Jesus’ death is necessary, then reward must mean something other than “getting in.”"

You agree the bible talks constantly about reward.

If I was a TV lawyer cross examining you, this is where I would say " I rest my case m'Lord"

It's good that you mentioned Rev 22.

Rev 20:15 " and if anyone was not found written in the Scroll of Life, he was cast into the lake of the fire" .(LIV)

At last, we are getting to the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Because the Bible also talks about that a lot. What happens to the people without enough brownie points. Or enough " reward stored in heaven", if you prefer that term to "brownie points".

To quote another part you said, I have already quoted above, but it is of note:" If Christianity were really about earning heaven, Jesus’ death is unnecessary. If Jesus’ death is necessary, then reward must mean something other than “getting in.”"

I think we are getting somewhere. Jesus’ death is unnecessary.

:-)

I put the smile at the end not to mock, but to acknowledge that this is friendly discussion.

I always thought Jesus was killed because he was a political radical. I imagine this wasn’t uncommon in those times and others were also killed. The world hasn’t moved on much in that regard.

RedTagAlan · 08/01/2026 08:44

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 08:22

I always thought Jesus was killed because he was a political radical. I imagine this wasn’t uncommon in those times and others were also killed. The world hasn’t moved on much in that regard.

Yup. Rebel, criminal or son of god.

It's the son of god thing that's interesting. Cos then it is really suicide by cop.

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 08:50

RedTagAlan · 08/01/2026 08:44

Yup. Rebel, criminal or son of god.

It's the son of god thing that's interesting. Cos then it is really suicide by cop.

Jesus , son of Joseph. A regular guy who got in with the wrong crowd.

RedTagAlan · 08/01/2026 09:16

Parker231 · 08/01/2026 08:50

Jesus , son of Joseph. A regular guy who got in with the wrong crowd.

I blame rock and roll myself.

And whatever John of Patmos was smoking or eating when he wrote revelation. He was defo on something.

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 08/01/2026 09:18

ByLovingTraybake · 08/01/2026 06:56

Thank you so much for your thoughtful post. I do agree with you that someone could read these verses and think Christianity is a brownie-points system. That’s not a strange reading, and Jesus’ language does invite the question, but only where we look at verses in isolation.

Where I think the disagreement is, is what kind of “reward” Jesus is talking about — and whether “reward” is doing the work of getting you into heaven, or something else. Because when you read these passages in context, Jesus consistently assumes people are already inside the relationship, and he’s talking about faithfulness within it, not earning entry. Let me try to show what I mean, passage by passage.

Matthew 6:19–21 — This sounds like classic points language at first glance — but notice what Jesus actually ties treasure to: “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” (NIV). Noticeably, Jesus doesn’t say: “Store up treasure so you can get into heaven.” He says: “What you treasure shows where your heart already is.” So treasure isn’t a currency that buys heaven — it’s a diagnostic of allegiance. If this were about earning entry, Jesus would be teaching a salvation strategy. Instead, he’s teaching what a transformed / saved heart values. That’s why, a few verses later, he warns that religious actions done for show receive no reward at all (Matthew 6:1).

Colossians 3:24 — This verse actually cuts against a works-based system. “You will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.” (NIV). An inheritance, by definition, isn’t earned; it’s received by virtue of belonging. Paul isn’t telling people how to qualify as heirs; he’s encouraging people who already are heirs to serve faithfully, even in unjust circumstances. If Paul meant “you earn heaven by working hard,” calling it an inheritance would be a strange and misleading word choice.

Revelation 22:12 — This is probably the strongest-sounding verse, but Revelation itself tells us how entry is decided before this verse. Just a few verses earlier: “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life.” (Revelation 22:14, NIV) And elsewhere in Revelation: “Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:15, NIV). The Book of Life determines who belongs already. So when Jesus says his “reward is with him,” he’s not saying, “I’ll decide who gets in based on works.” He’s saying, “I’m coming to set things right for those who are already mine.

2 Corinthians 5:10 — This one sounds strange, until you notice who Paul is talking to. This letter is written to believers, ie the same people Paul elsewhere says face “no condemnation” (Romans 8:1). So this judgment cannot be about salvation. Paul even spells this out elsewhere: “If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved.” (1 Corinthians 3:15, NIV). Saved, despite poor works. That alone makes “works get you into heaven” impossible within Paul’s framework.

Luke 6:23 — This one actually challenges the brownie-points idea in a different way. The “reward” is given for being hated, excluded, insulted or rejected. Those aren’t moral achievements. They’re costs of allegiance. Jesus isn’t saying, “Congratulations, you’ve accumulated virtue.” He’s saying, “If loyalty to God costs you everything now, God will not forget you.” That’s not wages; it’s justice. And he explicitly grounds it in identity: “That is how their ancestors treated the prophets. Prophets weren’t earning their way into God’s favour. They were persecuted because they already belonged to God.

Matthew 10:42 — If salvation were the reward here, then eternal life could be earned with a glass of tap water and moral seriousness collapses. Jesus deliberately chooses a trivial act to make the opposite point: God notices faithfulness, not because it merits heaven, but because relationship matters. This verse doesn’t help as a salvation economy, but it makes sense as reassurance that nothing done in loyalty to Christ is invisible.

Matthew 16:27 — This sounds decisive until you read what comes immediately before it: “Whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.” (v.25) Jesus isn’t describing a merit ladder. He’s describing total self-surrender. The “reward” is God publicly affirming that losing your life for Christ was not foolish or wasted. Again, this is justice and restoration, not entry.

So, I’d agree that the Bible talks constantly about reward. But I don’t think it ever talks about earning heaven via works or deeds. Instead, it consistently says you don’t earn belonging, you receive it. You are brought in by grace, and because God is not indifferent, nothing done in love or faithfulness is meaningless. If Christianity were really about earning heaven, Jesus’ death is unnecessary. If Jesus’ death is necessary, then reward must mean something other than “getting in.”

Beautifully said. Thank you, this is lovely.

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