Atheists and proof

[Kdtym10]

On several threads, some atheists have said they would believe in God/the Divine if they had proof. If you’re an atheist what would that proof look like to you?

Yes, for heresy just like and often with believers in any other persecuted religions.

So why would he help you and not others?

Sorry, but to be a scientist, you have to commit to following the scientific method. You can’t just science any old way you feel like.

@BabaBarrio you absolutely can

@Parker231

So why would he help you and not others?

He does help others. Plenty of people who have experienced answered prayers. Over many centuries and today in this current time.

Wow! We've got someone on here who seems to get all their prayers answered.

Pity about all those poor, starving children in Sudan, who pray until they die of malnutrition, but Heyho gets her parking space, so that's all good...

No you can’t. Don’t be silly. If you are going to call yourself a scientist, you have to commit to following the scientific method and process. You cannot do science with no hypothesis, with no controlled experiment, with no measurable observations, etc.

Even children doing a science project have to commit to a scientific process to execute it.

@HannibalHeyes

How reductive! And you've no idea how faith can help people in the most dire of situations! In one swoop you are dismissing all the hardships I have undergone and situations where I have received God's very much needed help. Parking spaces! It's so ludicrously trivial compared to how much God helps me every single day.

Exactly this. The whole religion v science is really a discredited myth now. It’s a lot more complicated. The two most sited cases of Bruno and Galileo are extremely complex cases based on heresies rather than scientific thought.

Unfortunately, popular perception perpetuates this outdated thought process,

Have you actually read Heyhos posts about cancer? How appalling to liken that to a “parking space!!!

Exactly. The hostility to scientists has been the same hostility towards those of other different religions. It all depends too, on what disagreement on facts are sources of friction between the two. In the time of Aristarchus of Samos, thinking that the Earth did not revolve around the Sun was impious as those were the days when Sun worshipping was prominent.

@BabaBarrio ok stepping out sideways giving you the side eye. Religion and science are as you say they are. You are the font of all knowledge and reason. Anyhow good luck with your sky wizards - hope it works out for you.

@Acornsoup don't fall over! 😂

all the hardships I have undergone and situations where I have received God's very much needed
If that's what having god on your side looks like then I think that I'll decline, thank you.

Thanks for your Christian/insert religious club here, concern 🤩

My “sky wizards”? I don’t have any. You presume incorrectly.

@senua cancer can happen to people of all faiths and none. But I'm still here after having Stage 3 cancer. My faith helped me through this and many other situations in my life. For which I am thankful.

It’s interesting that people always bring up Galileo without discussing Copernicus’s work had been published for decades without any real issue before Galileos attitude effectively led to it being banned.

if people are interest where the idea of church v science , at least as it’s held in the popular mind they should read the following largely discredited books

John Draper “History of Conflict between Rekigion and Science” and

Andrew Dixon White “ A. history of Warfare of Science with Theology Christendom”

I don’t think any self respecting historian of religion or science would give weight to either of them these days.

There is literally nothing on this thread about cancer! Why would I have read anything about that. She doesn't tell us which prayers she's had answered, but apparently it's a lot of them, so which ones have been and which ones haven't.

You are a bit of a judgey git aren't you?

@HannibalHeyes you've not read the thread. Or the others where I have posted about this which you were on too.

I don't stalk people, like other's on this thread seem to, I'm only paying attention to what's here.

She doesn't tell us which prayers she's had answered, but apparently it's a lot of them, so which ones have been and which ones haven't.
I get the impression that there is a lot of retro-fitting and "thy will be done". Not so much "please god can I have ..." but more "OK, I accept the outcome."

“It’s interesting that people always bring up Galileo without discussing Copernicus’s work had been published for decades without any real issue before Galileos attitude effectively led to it being banned.”

@Kdtym10 my thought is that western science has always been in competition with Christianity for believers and so the conflict and hostility hasn’t been about them being mutually exclusive, but the fact that human leaders wanted a monopoly on minds and purses.

I don’t think it was in conflict - many “scientists” throughout history have also been church men. It was generally only where they challenged the scriptures that they got in trouble (or when they insulted the Pope😀)

You are suprised that atheists haven't brought up a bible passage in order to explain what proof they would need to see in order the believe in God?

What an odd thing to be suprised by!