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heyhohello · 12/03/2024 15:31

@Lalupalina

No, you're mixing up experiences like a hot air balloon ride with experiences that are created entirely in your mind

That is something you are projecting onto me. It originates from your mind. You don't know me well enough at all to say that. Can you climb inside my head? My experiences are as I defined in my earlier post.

"they are an internal response to external stimuli. Qualitative."

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 15:34

@Lalupalina or maybe your statement does not derived entirely from your own head but instead is derivative from general atheistic rhetoric?

Kdtym10 · 12/03/2024 15:35

Lalupalina · 12/03/2024 15:26

No, you're mixing up experiences like a hot air balloon ride with experiences that are created entirely in your mind

Ooh I could go on for days about the imagination and its connection to the divine. But, of course Coleridge and Blake summed it up better than me.

Lalupalina · 12/03/2024 15:37

I have no idea what 'general atheistic rhetoric' is as I don't usually discuss or think much about religion/atheism.

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 15:37

@Kdtym10 do you not believe the spiritual can be external as well as internal?

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 15:39

@Lalupalina

I have no idea what 'general atheistic rhetoric' is as I don't usually discuss or think much about religion/atheism.

That is interesting. I have read enough of it on here to recognise the things you are saying as fitting in with it. Maybe there is something bigger (than your own mind) that connects you with other atheists?

Kdtym10 · 12/03/2024 15:50

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 15:37

@Kdtym10 do you not believe the spiritual can be external as well as internal?

Well I think we would need to go down a whole new road of what is external and what is internal.

I think the separateness is illusory and even then everything we think is separate reflective of each other - as above so below, on earth as it is in heaven etc. is God separate from us? Whilst we tie ourselves to the material yes it appears that way, once we let go of the transient nature of these rags, once the clouds open then no we are all part of the same.

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 15:57

@Kdtym10 I think physical matter is mixed up altogether with spirit and holds a memory of God until we start to be able to discern more of Him, receive more of Him.

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 15:58

@Kdtym10
And then God becomes more than a long lost memory. 🙂

Kdtym10 · 12/03/2024 16:09

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 15:57

@Kdtym10 I think physical matter is mixed up altogether with spirit and holds a memory of God until we start to be able to discern more of Him, receive more of Him.

Reminds me of Bruno (hate to bring him up again😂)

Mustardseed86 · 12/03/2024 16:15

Kdtym10 · 12/03/2024 16:09

Reminds me of Bruno (hate to bring him up again😂)

We don't talk about Bruno...

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Kdtym10 · 12/03/2024 16:18

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 15:39

@Lalupalina

I have no idea what 'general atheistic rhetoric' is as I don't usually discuss or think much about religion/atheism.

That is interesting. I have read enough of it on here to recognise the things you are saying as fitting in with it. Maybe there is something bigger (than your own mind) that connects you with other atheists?

Doesn't look like this will be answered 😀.

Given your position on the embedding of spirit within the physical how much do you think our senses add to our knowledge of God through both the beauty of nature and the arts?

Kdtym10 · 12/03/2024 16:24

Mustardseed86 · 12/03/2024 16:15

We don't talk about Bruno...

Sshhh - don’t think anyone noticed😂

Mustardseed86 · 12/03/2024 16:32

Kdtym10 · 12/03/2024 16:24

Sshhh - don’t think anyone noticed😂

🤫

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Lalupalina · 12/03/2024 16:42

Maybe there is something bigger (than your own mind) that connects you with other atheists?

That was directed to me but I don't have an answer to your question. I don't actually understand your question? Could you please explain what you're suggesting or asking me?

Lalupalina · 12/03/2024 16:45

Given your position on the embedding of spirit within the physical how much do you think our senses add to our knowledge of God through both the beauty of nature and the arts?

I guess you're asking me? Nature and art add nothing to my knowledge or belief in any god. Maybe I misunderstood your question though?

Kdtym10 · 12/03/2024 16:50

Lalupalina · 12/03/2024 16:45

Given your position on the embedding of spirit within the physical how much do you think our senses add to our knowledge of God through both the beauty of nature and the arts?

I guess you're asking me? Nature and art add nothing to my knowledge or belief in any god. Maybe I misunderstood your question though?

No, it was aimed at @heyhohello sorry

Parker231 · 12/03/2024 17:05

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 14:30

@Parker231 so you trust no one or nothing, not even yourself?

I trust numerous different things but they have nothing to do with faith - why would they?

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 17:24

Given your position on the embedding of spirit within the physical how much do you think our senses add to our knowledge of God through both the beauty of nature and the arts?

@Kdtym10, I am constantly amazed at the natural world and it complexity and how it can work together harmonious in unity. I have posted this quote before:

"Someone got up to talk about a group of plants that produced a certain group of chemicals in their leaves. Until then, the chemicals had been thought as a defining characteristic of that group of plants. However, it transpired that the chemicals were actually made by the fungi that Iived in the leaves of the plant. Our idea of the plant had to be redrawn. Another researcher interjected, suggesting that it may not be the fungi living in the leaf that produced these chemicals, but the bacteria living inside the fungus." (P18&19 Entangled Life by Merlin Sheldrake).

I see God's hand in this and also how our understanding can be there but not quite. How we have to redefine what we thought to even begin to unpick and understand.

Art, I feel is our response to the world we live in and can reflect shared understanding of God. I believe we are made in God's image and like Him we can be creative too.

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 17:27

I trust numerous different things but they have nothing to do with faith - why would they?

@Parker231, this is getting tedious. Enlighten me, how would you define faith, then?

That was directed to me but I don't have an answer to your question. I don't actually understand your question? Could you please explain what you're suggesting or asking me?

@Lalupalina, the question was rhetorical.

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 17:27

1st sentence should be in bold. Apologies, it was quoting @Parker231

Lalupalina · 12/03/2024 17:29

I see God's hand in this

There are actually symbiotic relationships that form between fungi and plants. The fungi colonize the root system of a host plant, providing increased water and nutrient absorption capabilities while the plant provides the fungus with carbohydrates formed from photosynthesis. Win win for both. That's what happens in nature as all species are trying to survive and reproduce.

No need for any god!!

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 17:33

@Kdtym10 I wrote this on the earlier thread too.

Maybe connectedness and a cohesiveness is a good perspective to contemplate the actuality of what is meant by spirit, for example once the physical reality of our bodies stops working and we die so does the connectivity between our individual cells. Our atoms then disperse into a bigger space. The sense of who 'we' are is lost unless the 'we' becomes connected to something bigger...

Kdtym10 · 12/03/2024 17:35

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 17:24

Given your position on the embedding of spirit within the physical how much do you think our senses add to our knowledge of God through both the beauty of nature and the arts?

@Kdtym10, I am constantly amazed at the natural world and it complexity and how it can work together harmonious in unity. I have posted this quote before:

"Someone got up to talk about a group of plants that produced a certain group of chemicals in their leaves. Until then, the chemicals had been thought as a defining characteristic of that group of plants. However, it transpired that the chemicals were actually made by the fungi that Iived in the leaves of the plant. Our idea of the plant had to be redrawn. Another researcher interjected, suggesting that it may not be the fungi living in the leaf that produced these chemicals, but the bacteria living inside the fungus." (P18&19 Entangled Life by Merlin Sheldrake).

I see God's hand in this and also how our understanding can be there but not quite. How we have to redefine what we thought to even begin to unpick and understand.

Art, I feel is our response to the world we live in and can reflect shared understanding of God. I believe we are made in God's image and like Him we can be creative too.

Thanks. Do you see art snd our creative natures as an extension of God or a reflection?

Parker231 · 12/03/2024 17:37

heyhohello · 12/03/2024 17:27

I trust numerous different things but they have nothing to do with faith - why would they?

@Parker231, this is getting tedious. Enlighten me, how would you define faith, then?

That was directed to me but I don't have an answer to your question. I don't actually understand your question? Could you please explain what you're suggesting or asking me?

@Lalupalina, the question was rhetorical.

I’ve faith that DH and I made the right decision on what school to send DT’s to, when DT’s were at Uni I had faith that we had taught them right from wrong and that they wouldn’t make too many stupid mistakes, last year I had faith that DH and I moving a continent away from DT’s and my family, was the right decision.
Why is someone’s else’s opinion tedious - not everyone will agree with you.

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