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Abortion

148 replies

Spookypig · 27/10/2022 11:14

Is anyone here British and against abortion for religious reasons? I’m just asking out of interest if I’m honest - I live abroad and many people are against abortion because of their religion, but I never encountered anyone with this view in the UK (although the majority of my friends at home are atheists). It seems like most countries have a more even divide re: abortion, but in the UK I’ve only ever met people who are very pro abortion (without limits).

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arctica · 02/11/2022 17:30

"However, I think what op is trying to say and I would agree, there are thousands of abortions that do not meet this criteria but are for reasons of convenience."

So how do you propose how it is judged how good a reason a woman has to end a pregnancy?

Buttons294749 · 02/11/2022 17:31

Im christian and pro choice in the "as early as possible, as late as needed, for any reason" camp.

Cuppasoupmonster · 02/11/2022 18:42

Buttons294749 · 02/11/2022 17:31

Im christian and pro choice in the "as early as possible, as late as needed, for any reason" camp.

Yes this pretty much sums me up. I do feel there is a moral aspect to abortion, so I like to think women are generally conscientious with contraception and don’t take the decision lightly, but any restrictions would have much worse consequences for both women and children.

magma32 · 02/11/2022 18:52

I’m British Muslim and as far as the religion goes women can have abortions before I think it is four months, ‘before the soul is breathed in’ and then the ‘scholars’ have added in conditions such as medical need etc. which I don’t ascribe to as how can men decide what a need is for women. I also think if women have to abort after 4 months then I trust the woman and I'm sure god would too. As pp mentioned as early as possible, as late as necessary. Maybe there were some barriers to her getting it earlier or whatever. I just don’t think women make these decisions for fun and even if they did, I don’t make it my business because what goes on in a woman’s body is her business really. I don’t think men who make it their business care all that much about women in a general sense so I trust women to make that decision about their bodies and therefore their future.

Spookypig · 03/11/2022 04:57

vdbfamily · 02/11/2022 16:43

I think the answer to this is fairly obvious and the reason for the legislation that surrounds abortion. If giving birth to the baby is going to cause harm in itself then you have to weigh up the 2 harms and decide the lesser of the 2 harms. So... if the pregnancy threatens the woman with severe physical or emotional harm there is an argument that that should be weighed up and an abortion may be preferable. However, I think what op is trying to say and I would agree, there are thousands of abortions that do not meet this criteria but are for reasons of convenience. This is not a good enough reason to end a life.
The terminology used for unborn babies is deliberately dehumanising which makes it easier for woman to make a decision to end that life. Must Christians I know would offer support to anyone who had had an abortion and also try and support someone having a baby in difficult circumstances. The decisions about cut off points etc are made based on current medical advice and advocates from both sides of the lobby should be absolutely free to petition the powers that be in either direction, for any reason up until actual birth or restricted after 8, 12,20,24 weeks. It is a moral issue and that is why there are laws around it and it is not just a free for all. That is why the' you do you and I' ll do me' argument does not hold sway as there is a life being taken and that life needs some protection.

This explains my thoughts exactly! Thank you!

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OldFan · 06/11/2022 00:31

I converted to Catholicism this year so I believe in the teaching of the Church and Bible, that abortion is against God's will.

People probably don't go on about it much if they hold this opinion, because it's not the 'woke' position to hold and is unpopular.

The World is very different to the teachings of the Bible and Church in a lot of ways.

OldFan · 06/11/2022 00:36

Even if I had a baby that was born to die young, I would have to give them their life. Thankfully I'm 45 and single so I'm not likely to face that though.

Twillow · 06/11/2022 00:37

Toddlerteaplease · 28/10/2022 16:19

I'm British and also against abortion. I believe that life begins at conception. And abortion is murder. But I wouldn't judge anyone for having one for medical reasons, if the unborn baby had a condition incompatible with life. Mumsnet is very pro abortion so I will her flatbed for my views.

You won't be flamed because you have clearly stated you do not think your view should dictate what anyone else does.

Twillow · 06/11/2022 00:38

Twillow · 06/11/2022 00:37

You won't be flamed because you have clearly stated you do not think your view should dictate what anyone else does.

Meant to add, it's pro-choice not pro-abortion. There's a difference.

Sillysausage2 · 06/11/2022 00:47

I’m Irish, used to be catholic but not so much anymore. I used to be complete anti but now completely pro choice. No one gets to 24 weeks and says fuck it I want an abortion, every abortion is made for a reason that I don’t need to know.

Guilt27 · 05/10/2023 10:42

Hello I'm Christian. I had an abortion medical one tablets wasn't something I expected to do. Was only just pregnant missed period so only about 3 weeks. I had unprotected sex once just after I finished a period. Soo much regret now , punish myself most days

AuntieDickhead · 05/10/2023 11:58

Guilt27 · 05/10/2023 10:42

Hello I'm Christian. I had an abortion medical one tablets wasn't something I expected to do. Was only just pregnant missed period so only about 3 weeks. I had unprotected sex once just after I finished a period. Soo much regret now , punish myself most days

If you don't mind, I will pray that you find peace.

I won't tell you that you have nothing to feel guilty for, because I also feel guilt and regret for mine.

navidsonhouse · 05/10/2023 13:03

Unfortunately there are, going by the harassment "prayer vigils" that still happen outside abortion centres.

hadaye · 05/10/2023 18:04

AuntieDickhead · 05/10/2023 11:58

If you don't mind, I will pray that you find peace.

I won't tell you that you have nothing to feel guilty for, because I also feel guilt and regret for mine.

Of course she has nothing to feel guilty about.

AuntieDickhead · 05/10/2023 18:16

hadaye · 05/10/2023 18:04

Of course she has nothing to feel guilty about.

I know she doesn't. Neither do I. But people telling me I don't need to feel guilty/ashamed doesn't mean I don't feel guilty and ashamed.

It just means I feel guilty and ashamed and like I'm wrong for feeling that.

I don't think telling people how they should, or shouldn't, feel is ever helpful.

Grazyna80 · 05/10/2023 18:42

I was born catholic in a predominantly catholic country. I’m pro choice and pro abortion . I Know what happens when safe and easily available healthcare isn’t available.

hadaye · 06/10/2023 11:23

There are posters on MN who go on the pregnancy choices board to give anti-choice religious lectures to posters who have had or might have abortions. It's disgusting.

Lilacdressinggown · 10/10/2023 22:18

navidsonhouse · 05/10/2023 13:03

Unfortunately there are, going by the harassment "prayer vigils" that still happen outside abortion centres.

There are also atheists taking part in these protests outside clinics, albeit they aren’t praying.

I am a Christian and pro-choice. I know atheists who are anti-abortion.

Lilacdressinggown · 10/10/2023 22:20

hadaye · 06/10/2023 11:23

There are posters on MN who go on the pregnancy choices board to give anti-choice religious lectures to posters who have had or might have abortions. It's disgusting.

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet. Trolls pretend to be all sorts of things in order to deliberately upset people.

Loopyloopy · 10/10/2023 22:48

@vdbfamily I really really don't like terminations being dismissed as "reasons of convenience". It makes it sound as if continuing with a pregnancy is akin to sorting recycling from landfill.

Pregnancy, birth and raising a child is a huge, huge thing. A pregnancy that you are not ready for can throw you into poverty for life. Having kids myself really solidified my pro - choice stance- having kids was the best thing I ever did, but it really made me aware of how vulnerable it makes you.

And yes, people are careless with contraception. I think it's one of those human nature things - it can be a blind spot, even with usually careful people.

And yes, I know this is a zombie thread - but it's an important discussion.

hadaye · 10/10/2023 23:06

Lilacdressinggown · 10/10/2023 22:20

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet. Trolls pretend to be all sorts of things in order to deliberately upset people.

Where do you get the impression they don't mean what they say? Are the abortion clinic protesters just trolls too?

hadaye · 10/10/2023 23:09

Lilacdressinggown · 10/10/2023 22:18

There are also atheists taking part in these protests outside clinics, albeit they aren’t praying.

I am a Christian and pro-choice. I know atheists who are anti-abortion.

Either way they won't be able to do it much longer, at least not in Scotland.

Catinabeanbag · 10/10/2023 23:20

The last couple of weeks there have been people praying just down the road (JUST outside the exclusion zone) from an abortion clinic near me - one that was in the news earlier in the year when that woman was arrested for being outside it 'praying silently'. I've been there twice (usually park outside the church when I go to the gym) and both times it's been men standing praying. Which I find interesting.
I'm a Christian and think abortion should be an individual's choice. I don't know what I'd do if I was in any other women's situation, so don't feel I can impose any views on someone else and what they do with their body.

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