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Any Witches Here ? Part 3

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speakout · 15/09/2018 18:03

Or Wiccans. or Pagans? Or anyone who is interested in a magical path or feels some magical stirrings.

A place for support, learning, swapping ideas and magical inspiration

All welcome.

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SecretWitch · 13/10/2018 10:05

Oh, speakout! So happy you and your are safe. What a frightening incident though! Amazing how our sixth sense works. I am with Bellocose, you are so caring and nurturing to all on this thread. Please take care of yourself.

owlshooting · 13/10/2018 10:08

Oh, that's news to me speakout. I didn't realise natural gas did not emit carbon monoxide. Scary.

speakout · 13/10/2018 10:08

SecretWitch

Thank you!

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VioletCharlotte · 13/10/2018 10:17

Speakout thank goodness you're ok! How scary, when you think what could of happened.

Bellecose it's complicated isn't it? I took it to mean that by accepting your dark side and focusing on the positive aspects of my character, I'll grow quicker than by putting a lot of energy into changing my imperfections. I've not read much on shadow work yet, so my view may change.

BlankTimes · 13/10/2018 11:04

Speakout

Well done for trusting your instincts, some things we just know.

Googled to see what's available re Natural Gas Alarms, I'd go for a battery operated one, (we're prone to power cuts) these two seem to be the same, quite a price-difference.

www.toolstation.com/shop/Electrical/d190/Smoke+%26+Heat+Detectors/sd3167/Natural+Gas+Alarm/p18215

www.fireangel.co.uk/products/ng-9b

Owl Carbon Monoxide is from incorrect combustion.

PawneeParksDept · 13/10/2018 11:30

Very glad your ok @speakout your protections must be strong x

YashmisCrone · 13/10/2018 12:03

I’m interested in the conversation about acceptance of our shadows.

I haven’t read the book you’re talking about but for me acceptance is different to embracing. I think it’s about not placing judgement on a specific trait or behaviour I have but ‘bringing it into the light’ (where it was previously hidden) and accepting that it is part of me.

I think the judgement part is important (negatively or positively) So it’s a bit like simply observing something without deciding if it’s a good or bad thing. Just seeing what is.

I think it was speakout who previously used the elephant analogy. The elephants in a heard all have different traits (we might call them strengths and weaknesses) but none are judged as bad elephants. They’re just elephants. (Sorry if that’s a bad use of your analogy speakout!)

I think if we deal with our ‘shadow’ traits by lifting the judgment (good or bad) and simply seeing or observing them then we’re more likely to understand them. For example, I might be rude/aggressive in situations where I feel threatened. If I stop judging this trait as bad (therefore giving myself the inclination to detach or hide from it) and observe it then I might see a connection to an earlier time in my life where I was vulnerable/powerless so developed this ‘protective’ coping mechanism.

It might not be relevant or useful anymore but once I can make sense of it then I can ‘accept’ it and will probably feel less likely to need to employ it as a coping mechanism when I feel triggered. ie I will now be aware of the fact that I’m no longer powerless and can perhaps try being assertive instead- all the while honouring and working to heal (like with the inner child work) the wounded part of me that I’m now aware of.

I don’t know if that’s relevant in the context of the discussion you’ve been having but for me, an important part the path is self awareness/development. It makes sense for me to look at it this way because I think a lot of our practice is about personal power and the focus of it.

I don’t know if that makes any sense at all but yes, I’m very interested in others’ views about this- thank you for starting the discussion!

I love those pictures btw Gee another place to add to my ‘to go to’ list Smile

speakout I’d never heard of a Miriam stone- they look stunning! Might be a random suggestion but this IOW shop on Facebook often has different (many of them big) stones for sale on their timeline. They’ll post your purchases to you for a fair rate I think. I have a lovely salt crystal lamp from there for half the price I’d seen them elsewhere. I love it Smile
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speakout · 13/10/2018 12:58

YashmisCrone

That makes perfect sense.
Yes it was me talking about the elephants- how some humans ( often christians ) see all humans as flawed or imperfect. I argued that we wouldn't look on a herd of elephants and view them as being flawed elephants. They are simply elephants with all that character diversity that being sentient gives them.

I don't view my shadows in a particularly negative way, these aspects me are often associated with and indeed part of the same energies that give me my positive traits.

For instance I am a "mercurial" person. I have a lot of nervous energy- which can make me prone to anxiety, and sometimes temper flare up.
My anger lasts around 30 seconds, I don't bear grudges.
That same energy can fire up getting projects going, enthuse others, provide impetus and excitement for things- whether business, making a new vegetable patch or planning a Halloween party.

While I do work to turn that energy into a positive aspect, there will always be that slightly quick tempered part of me, always part of me that feels anxiety, but that is my make up. I accept all of what I am.

OH for instance is very easy going, a great listener, very patient, extremely tolerant of others, very accepting and understanding. Never gets rattled.
But he can be very lazy, has a manyana attitude which sometimes is to his detriment. but again that's him.

To me a lot of shadow work is not about fixing thing, but simply to recognise, understand and accept.

I have had a lot of sadness in my life, my teenage years especially, and led to my early adult life being unhappy too, but again my shadow work is about accepting and nurturing my past self.

Because those dark places within us are often the source of our strongest power, whether negative aspects of our personality or pain that we have suffered.

I don't think I would be half the parent that I am if I had not experienced those lost teenage years.

In that place I found a fire, a determination to make sure my own children had the support and parenting that they needed - that I never had.

Our shadows are treasure.

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Bellecose2 · 13/10/2018 13:43

@YashmisCrone and speakout. Thank you so much for that. I found that helpful.

I have triggers with certain people/ behaviour and I've been trying for years to not react. I know why I do... always known what it related to. I also experimented with analysing my own shadow in relation to this and realised I had very similar traits.... but it didn't stop my negative reaction which devastated me.

Accepting my own reactions without judgement is something novel for me to try. I think I may find that difficult but it makes sense to me to try in these initial stages of learning.

YashmisCrone · 13/10/2018 13:44

Thank you speakout

Your beautifully put words resonate with me and clearly explain a lot of what I was trying to say in my ramblings!

Two points you make particularly sum up the subject of our shadow selves for me:

I accept all of what I am

Our shadows are treasure.

Wonderful mantras for shadow work right there!

Thank you Smile

YashmisCrone · 13/10/2018 13:55

Bellecose2

X posted with you!

I agree the ‘without judgement’ approach isn’t easy and doesn’t feel ‘natural’ to start with, but I’ve found it well worth it. Think of it as noticing and observing to get to know yourself on a deeper level- like a research project... you can’t get to know the hidden nuances of yourself if your observation is steeped in (usually negative) judgement. Even if you can already see the root of it, there’ll be aspects of yourself you can nurture and recognise as useful drivers (perhaps in terms of energy or values as speakout describes). I think dropping the judgement frees us up to see this

Whatsallthisaboutthen · 13/10/2018 14:21

I posted on earlier threads but have name changed, so apologies for jumping back in and being a stranger.

I’m hoping for some wise words as I’m scared to follow my instincts at the moment.

I’ve written this post three times and deleted them all. I can’t even bring myself to express it. I don’t know how.

Maybe I don’t need wise words; maybe I just need some people to know I’m struggling and to light a candle for me. There’s no one I can explain this to without judgement.

(I’m not going to harm myself or anyone else, just to be clear, in case my annoyingly cryptic nonsense worries anyone.)

YashmisCrone · 13/10/2018 14:47

Whatsallthisaboutthen

Welcome back.

Sorry to hear you’re struggling right now. I’ll certainly light a candle for you with a wish for some peace of mind and clarity for you.

Can you find a way to be kind to yourself today? Carve out some time to nurture yourself? Even if it’s just a small thing, your subconscious will get the message..

Maybe it’s about self acceptance to a point? You’ve said you’re not about to harm yourself or anyone else- I hope you can give yourself permission to give yourself a little break in some way.

Sending you love Flowers

Bellecose2 · 13/10/2018 14:53

Thank you YashmisCrone... I will certainly try.

@what'sallthisabout... I will light a candle for you and wish you peace. Flowers

Whatsallthisaboutthen · 13/10/2018 15:32

Thanks both, I’m taking myself for a hot chocolate and piece of cake, and trying to breathe!

VioletCharlotte · 13/10/2018 15:42

@Whatsallthisaboutthen sorry to hear you're struggling. Sending out love and healing ❤️ Sometimes it all just gets too much doesn't it? What's the weather like near you? I always find a good walk helps me to clear my head a bit.

SecretWitch · 13/10/2018 18:03

whatsthisallaboutthen, sending you thoughts of peace and clarity.

I am really enjoying this discussion of shadow and darkness. It has a very personal meaning for me right now. I am struggling to bring my triggers to the light, to confront them and ultimately to learn how to cope with them in ways that don’t hurt myself.

Wishing everyone a lovely (and safe!) Saturday night ✨✨

VioletCharlotte · 13/10/2018 18:36

You too secret witch. I'm meeting up with a couple of friends from my spirit group tonight to practise out tarot, can't wait! It's lovely to spend time with people who don't think I'm a loon! Grin

SecretWitch · 13/10/2018 18:46

VioletteCharlotte, your evening sounds lovely! My dd and her bestie are coming over to watch Rocky Horror Picture Show with me. It’s an October tradition. We will sing, they will dance and then I will collapse in a heap.

YashmisCrone · 13/10/2018 18:59

SecretWitch

In my experience, if it doesn’t feel safe or right to bring shadows into the light then it’s maybe not the right time.

I’d focus on nurturing myself and helping me (and my inner child) feel safe and loved. For me, shadow parts of my self seem to come to the surface when I’m in a strong and safe enough place to acknowledge them.

Love the sound of both yours and Vilolet’s evenings, enjoy! Smile

SecretWitch · 13/10/2018 19:09

Yashmis, thank you. I do struggle with wanting to be brave and face that which causes me upset or pain. I know I am not healed from past trauma. I’m hoping to get therapeutic care, once my knee has healed sufficiently. My goal is to examine and then eradicate harmful or negative thoughts and behaviours.

I’m so happy to have a place to put my thoughts into words. Thank all of you for your kindness and support.

speakout · 13/10/2018 19:24

Whatsallthisaboutthen

Welcome back.
We all struggle sometimes. Big stuff, hard stuff, ongoing chronic stuff.
Whether it is health, emotions or circumstance.
I send you light and blessings.
Grasp what you can when you see the light. Try to rise to the surface. Make the good bubbles you find lighter and help you more.

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speakout · 13/10/2018 19:35

SecretWitch

I hope you are feeling comfortable tonight.YashmisCrone
I agree with the words of YashmisCrone .

Don't attempt any deep shadow work if you are feeling vulnerable. You need to heal and nurture yourself. There is a season and a time to dig deep and it is not always the time.

I am not even a believer in digging up everything either. Some places are best left, raked over and left tied up. Plant some daisies over things. I think that can be healthy.

Recent PTSD theory even supports that too.
You have a lifetime to unwrap that negativity- your road to healing does not need to deal with bad stuff if it is not right for you at this point.
You can instead focus on the positive aspects, seeing small good physical changes.
Don't burden yourself if it is not the time.
Value yourself. Be kind to yourself.
We are here.
I am lighting a candle for your healing tonight.

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SecretWitch · 14/10/2018 01:02

My dear speakout you are so lovely and kind Flowers

I believe I shall let things be for the time being. I think I must heal my knee fully before I take on any heavy duty spiritual/soul cleaning. Perhaps you are right, somethings need not be brought to the surface.

CandleIit · 14/10/2018 07:06

If you're feeling scared and vulnerable, I'd start there. Fully embrace those feelings and don't look beyond that for now. My spiritual teacher advises what has been previously been advised here - invite those feelings close to you as a grandmother would bring her grandchild child close to her (no matter your age!). As @speakout says, "Our shadows are treasure". My teacher describes these uncomfortable feelings as like guardians of hidden treasure, so that's where I'd begin in your shoes. I've unlocked some pretty amazing jewels with this practice!