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Please can someone settle a 'Catholic' argument/query for me?

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yorkshirelass79 · 13/01/2007 21:35

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lulumama · 13/01/2007 22:51

pre cana?

expatinscotland · 13/01/2007 22:51

Synod of Whitby, anyone?

lulumama · 13/01/2007 22:51

oh, wanted to know about the bisexuality issue..oh well. night kitty

kittylette · 13/01/2007 22:52

i put a lol next to that statement - as in i didnt mean it seriously

kittylette · 13/01/2007 22:52

sorry what was your question, trying to keep up

DumbledoresGirl · 13/01/2007 22:53

Kezza, I think you are right. It might explain why there is a general trend away from churches but still a hgh level of spirituality in people.

Speaking for myself, as I grow older, I feel less and less the need for anyone to tell me what to do - never my strong point at the best of times! So people move away from the doctrines attached to churches whilst still maintaining their belief in a spiritual being. (Except, that in my life, that has gone too! but I am left with the part of the church's teaching that always fitted my moral code).

lulumama · 13/01/2007 22:54

so, how does that fit in with being bisexual kitty, ? honestly interested in the answer not being picky

so homosexuals are in love, but not allowed to express their love physically by the church , but it is ok for you to express heterosexual love with your DF because you are in love , and also to use contraception, because you are in love? not picking at you..just trying to reason through it in my head !

that was my question from earlier kitty...

if he is your only partner, how do you know you are bi, and does it matter if you are never going to act on it..surely then it is irrelevant and don;t need to label yourself as it if it caused you concern?

kittylette · 13/01/2007 23:00

well i wouldnt act on my bisexuality as im in a relationship for life, but it doesnt stop my feelings

and if two women or two men are in love, then i believe love is love, and how can love be anything but good?

so i think they should be allowed to get married

look, i am a catholic, - but dont agree with some of the rules

so maybe im not a 'good' catholic ok?

maybe id be judged as a pretty shit one,

i think the church should update its self

all i know is im happy in my life and religion, im happy in my relationship with god, we get along ok together

i may not fit into what a tradional catholic should be, and maybe my views contradict my religion

but all i need is me and my prayers to be happy

i cant change myself - and i certainly cant change the church,

and i hope im not spending my life loving a god, that turns out not to love me because i had sex before marriage

what more can i say??

nite nite xx

lulumama · 13/01/2007 23:01

sleep well..thanks for talking about it

RustyBear · 13/01/2007 23:05

Samuel 16:7 ? ?The Lord does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.? ...
Think you'll be fine kitty..

MamazonAKAfatty · 13/01/2007 23:14

If you are a catholic you choose to be completly faithfull to your religion or to try and adapt what its teachings are to modern society.

It is true that the bible was writen a very long time ago when life was very very different to how it is right now. BUT there is adaptation and then there is hypocracy.

You really cannot say that you are true to your faith and that you love your god and agree with its teachings if you then break rule after rule.

Yes many modern catholics will use contraception but they would make great efforts to abide by themore attainable conditions of the faith ie marriage before childbirth. if your faith is so important why would you wait until you have had 2 children before getting married.

You also state that you agree that the bible and its teachings are not realistic in the modern world so why would you find it offensive that someone else points this out? I found MP's posts hysterical and i am also a catholic. the difference is that i am happy with how my life has played and i am sure my god will understand fully all the decisions i have made within my life.

The whole point of a religion is that is almost like a club. to be a member of that club you must stick to the rules, they aren't meant to be easy and they are meant to test you as a human and as a christian or else what would be the point.
Its hard for a reason Kitty, to split those who are true to their faith and are willing to make the sacrifices in their life and those who aren't.

I think you should speak with yor priest Kitty as you clearly have a lot of guilt with regards to yoru faith, it is preventing you from entering reasonable debate about faith.

but hey, dont listen to me. im a single mother of 2 who frequantly wanks on a sunday

kittylette · 13/01/2007 23:24

pah, then dont judge me

and i have no guilt,

like i keep saying im happy in my postion

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yorkshirelass79 · 13/01/2007 23:25

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amexonfire · 13/01/2007 23:30

Sorry, I can't get my head round organised religion at all.

If you don't completely buy into and live by your chosen religion, then a/ what's the point? and b/ how come you can still call yourself a christian/catholic or whatever?

I wasn't aware you could just be part time with it.
If you're just picking and choosing the good bits that you fancy complying with, then that's not really following a religion is it?

There's nothing wrong with holding your own beliefs of course, but that isn't religion by definition, as those are YOUR beliefs and not those indoctrinated into you.

I speak as someone who doesn't believe that organised religion is particularly healthy or sensible in these times though I don't virulently oppose it, I enjoy a sing a long in church as much as the next person, as much as I'd enjoy a sing a long at a concert, it's just a nice, atmospheric venue as far as I'm concerned. I don't think spirituality and religion are one and the same either.

I'm afraid to me it's that simple and the rest of it is over my head.

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yorkshirelass79 · 13/01/2007 23:38

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Perigrine · 13/01/2007 23:45

The way that I have always looked at sex beofre marriage, is

That God didn't invent the legal process, ie the bit of paper, the law did. So if you are getting married to the same man - that's OK.

So I think you are OK Kitty!

multitasker · 13/01/2007 23:48

I think most praticing Catholics get alot from their religion but living in more liberated times feel it is their right to choose which parts of it are acceptable for them in which to live a happy and content life.I do.

Perigrine · 13/01/2007 23:49

Yorkie,

She is Bang out of order, My MIL is so Catholic.(mass every day kind of person). But NEVER rams anything down our throats! N

amexonfire · 13/01/2007 23:54

The choosing is the bit I can't understand TBH. It seems a bit hypocritical. Like taking marriage vows and just sticking to the bits you fancy there, does that not negate the whole thing?

Why not just be you then, with your values etc without the need for a casual relationship with the religion of your choice to fall back on?

Thought the whole point is that religion is quite strict and you're supposed to stick to it.

Not being arsy, just don't get the contradicitions

MamazonAKAfatty · 13/01/2007 23:55

Just because your religion states that something is wrong doesn't stop you having a view on it.

My religion states that condoms are wrong but if i went to africa i would teach eacha nd every person i saw that condoms are the only way to prevent aids and that they NEED to use them.

My religion was born in a time before aids.

your MIL is useing her religion as a cop out. if it happens again i would simply say "yes we know what the bible say's but what do you think"

Tommy · 14/01/2007 00:03

ya boo - I hardly ever go out on a Saturday evening and when I finally do, I miss a chat about Catholics and sex.....

Sounds like it was fun though.....

amexonfire · 14/01/2007 00:08

Right so say organised religion is generally outdated and at odds with today's world?

If certain teachings or beliefs of a religion are largely disposable to a notable portion of it's followers then why have it? Why not renounce the whole lot?

Believe what you want but believe it spiritually, within yourself, without the need to exhibit and impress those beliefs on others?

It's anyone right to choose, of course, but it seems just as kooky as people who make major life decisions by phoning premium rate clairvoyants etc...

amexonfire · 14/01/2007 00:08

Right so say organised religion is generally outdated and at odds with today's world?

If certain teachings or beliefs of a religion are largely disposable to a notable portion of it's followers then why have it? Why not renounce the whole lot?

Believe what you want but believe it spiritually, within yourself, without the need to exhibit and impress those beliefs on others?

It's anyone right to choose, of course, but it seems just as kooky as people who make major life decisions by phoning premium rate clairvoyants etc...

amexonfire · 14/01/2007 00:08

Right so say organised religion is generally outdated and at odds with today's world?

If certain teachings or beliefs of a religion are largely disposable to a notable portion of it's followers then why have it? Why not renounce the whole lot?

Believe what you want but believe it spiritually, within yourself, without the need to exhibit and impress those beliefs on others?

It's anyone right to choose, of course, but it seems just as kooky as people who make major life decisions by phoning premium rate clairvoyants etc...

amexonfire · 14/01/2007 00:08

Soz for double post!