Does anyone else find the anti denominational school stance depressing?

[Plaza]

I recently read a thread where the majority seemed to agree that state schools should be secular and denominational schools done away with altogether.

I found this pretty depressing, no least as it would have been my personal view about a year ago... I have since moved my DC to a COE school and cannot praise it or the Christian ethics enough.. What do you think?

My local faith schools are Jewish, Catholic, CofE. The nearest secondary school is a primarily Jewish one, but the admissions procedure gives higher priority to ANYONE who has/follows a faith. They are building a Hindu primary school. The school my youngest currently goes to is 45mins away. I hope they might get a place at the Hindu school if we apply for them during the year, as it's closer and at least admits some 'community' places. There are no secular schools. I think the one which rankles most is the fairly excellent secondary which blatantly discriminates against anyone not practicing a faith- not even a specific faith.

I should have said non- religious universities and workplaces in my last post... not non- secular but you get the idea!

It's also just weird to have a school of a single faith. How would you feel about a hospital that only treated a particular faith and you had to travel to the one much further away to get treated.

Faith schools are legally allowed to discriminate in recruiting staff doesn't that make you feel uncomfortable?

thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/secondary/a2016648-Faith-schools-to-be-allowed-to-redact-exam-papers it was a while go and linked mainly to exam papers.

Whereishe - No, I think you've misunderstood. I am asking that if there is a choice locally, and you are not religious, then why would you choose to send your child to the faith school rather than the non denominational school? If there is a choice .

i really wish i could understand the logic between all these segregated schools. why is it such a good idea, some explain to me. when we leave school we all have to integrate and work together, we are lucky that the UK is one of the most integrated and diverse lands in the world yet we want to stop this it seems. We can't discriminate yet how come we readily allow our children to be segregated this way.

For some people (only me on this thread it seems!) their faith is a way of life and they want that extended into education.

Of course I can see it from both sides, and there isclearly a massive shortfall in good non denominational schools.

Not sure what else to say on the matter real ly, I thin a good solution would be to adjustthe schooling system, but I don'tthink this should mean doing away with faith schools altogether.

It happens near here too. 3 local schools, 1 of which is RC is always hugely over subscribed.
It baffles me why non RC families would apply for the RC school when there are 2 others very nearby but they do.
And then they complain about the religious side to the school. I truly don't get it!

Space bar is sticking..

Noideas I am guessing that you live in the same Borough as me!!!

Plaza which goes back to, if there is enough demand, do you think that all religious schools should be afforded state funding? Don't those people have as much of a right to attend a school which reflects their way of life as you?

there is enough time out of school to teach kids about your own religious beliefs

sending them to religious schools surely takes away their choice whether to follow that religion or not

seems wrong

SEA the reason is indoctrination, obviously.

Does it begin with R, Nice?

Ooh no how interesting!

I'm in north-west london.

Plaza,
The thing you want is fine except it overrides what others want, your needs come first.
You have an equal chance at a non affiliated school and an advantage at a religious one. Is that fair?

You haven't answered my question about discrimination in the workplace. Do you endorse it?

Plaza.

1. There are no secular schools in the UK.

1. Undersubscribed Faith schools are no better or worse than undersubscribed non Faith schools. The biggest factor in a schools performance is the % of engaged committed parents. Any school which has a hoop to jump through is going, by definition , to have more of that sort of parent. So an oversubscribed Faith school, where parents have to fill in extra forms, commit themselves to going to church, get letters from the Vicar and all the rest is probably going to be a more high archiving school. Nothing to do with Faith per se- everything to do with the element of selection.

Motorway, I don't know the statistics, I know it's what I want, and I am also a taxpayer, but I don't know if it statistically overrides the majority. I suppose the thing is religious people likely won't choose the non faith school, and atheists will likely choose the non faith school. Do you think the ideal solution would be to do away with faith schools altogether? Or to secularise a number of COE schools?

I think religion is fine but it should not be practised or enforced in education the same as I don't think it should be relevant in law.
I don't think any segregation in education is positive. All schools should be state, secular and co ed.

But when the tax payers who fund the schools are made up of both faith, no faith and people who don't really mind either way, there needs to be a compromise.

*non faith

"I suppose the thing is religious people likely won't choose the non faith school, and atheists will likely choose the non faith school. "

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You aren't listening, are you.

There are not 2 options here, faith/non-faith, religious/athiest. There is more than one faith! Unbelievable, I know.

So in your example, as a "faith" person you would choose the "faith" school. Only if it's a different faith, you can't go there can you. You'll have to go to the "non faith". Oh dear.

What if you, as a faith person, get into the "faith" school. It's not over-subscribed and you get in. Woohoo! And the faith is Paganism, or Exclusive Brethren, or even mainstream Muslim or Hindu. Are you happy then, as your children are at a "faith" school?

What about the fact that there are no athiest / secular state schools in the UK, so those people have no choice whatsoever.

What about the fact that people who are not fussed one way or the other end up having their children randomly indoctrinated in a religion, and which one it is, is down to chance?

It is a POOR SYSTEM.

I think a lot of people are scared of their culture and faith/beliefs being watered down or done away with completely through mass forced secularisation of schools.

I think religion is a private matter. If you want a religious education to suit your private belief you ( or your church) should pay for it, not the state.

And I find it utterly wrong that schools funded by the state can select pupils on the basis of which church their parents attend etc. nowhere else in modern Britain is discrimination on the basis of religion acceptable.

I have no issue with some parents choosing a religious education for their child. In fact I strongly support the freedom to do so, but this should not be state funded.

Plaza I don't agree. Just because someone has a belief doesn't mean that has to be taught in schools. I'm not sure how they correlate. Worship is not part of education.