Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Philosophy/religion

Join our Philosophy forum to discuss religion and spirituality.

genuine question from atheist - view on Christanity and personal responsibility

999 replies

kentishgirl · 21/03/2014 11:26

Hi - promise this isn't just Christian-baiting.

I've come to the conclusion that Christianity is a substitute for having a personal conscience or taking personal responsibility. Being a Christian is like having a 'get out of jail free card' in that you are taught God will forgive you anything. So you can do anything, as bad as you like, go and pray for forgiveness and move on, slate wiped clean, feeling great about yourself. So it doesn't matter if you do wrong. As an atheist, if I do something wrong, it's always with me, it's always on my conscience, so that makes me always try to do the right thing.
I didn't always think this way. It's the only way I can make any sense of something that happened to me at the hands of a couple of serious, committed Christians. One of them even works full time for a church. They did something terrible to me but have shown no remorse, no guilt, and made no attempt to make things right with me. I'm positive they prayed for guidance at the time and then forgiveness afterwards, and now all's good in their world, while I'm still dealing with the fall-out.
Am I really wrong in interpreting Christianity in this way? Isn't it true that it enables horrible behaviour by teaching you that if you do wrong, all you've got to do is pray for forgiveness afterwards, and you are ok, never mind the effect of what you did? Basically if God is your only judge, and forgiveness is guaranteed, it gives you permission to act like a right bastard as long as you say sorry to God afterwards? there's no personal responsibility for what you have done.

OP posts:
capsium · 22/03/2014 22:12

I see what you are saying blue but if people do not believe, the threat might not mean much.

This is why I think it is worth pointing out that considering Bible's meaning in terms of it's human perspective is a valid endeavour, as it leads to some very pertinent questions.

The main one being, 'Why?', and 'What does this tell us about humanity?'

headinhands · 22/03/2014 22:13

Evidence Bluepen? If I said I reckon you've got the wrong god and the right one is well pissed off with you, you'd want a good reason to believe what I say wouldn't you?

BigDorrit · 22/03/2014 22:13

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BigDorrit · 22/03/2014 22:14

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

bluepen · 22/03/2014 22:15

But if they do not believe, they still need to have the knowledge. It is cruel not to give people the knowledge. It is up to individuals what they choose to do with the information.

I should imagine, and I could be wrong, that as in all walks of life, some things work for some people, and some things work for other people.

But all people, once they are capable adults, should have access to the truth.

headinhands · 22/03/2014 22:16

Caps do you not think other ancient texts also tell us about human nature?

bluepen · 22/03/2014 22:18

I was not particularly talking to any one person on this thread, who probably all ready has adequate knowledge to make choices.

But more and more people generally are not so well informed.

headinhands. Evidence! I am smiling. Smile

headinhands · 22/03/2014 22:19

What information Blue? Just words on a screen, nothing to discern it from any other man made religion. You could easily be an adherent to any other belief system. Why should I believe your claim and not the 15 other supernatural claims I have read today?

capsium · 22/03/2014 22:20

True blue Grin (80s teenager in me,sorry)

head oh yes, I love ancient texts. Terribly exciting. Voices across the mists of time...

But I really really love the Bible and funnily enough since reading it I have appreciated other ancient texts more...

BigDorrit · 22/03/2014 22:20

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BoffinMum · 22/03/2014 22:21

Haven't read whole thread, but I think it's possible to have a conscience and believe in God. That's because if you are intelligent you realise without good behaviour in society, life will be nasty, brutish and short, which is not something you want to condone or contribute to. This state of mind would exist whether you were a believer or not. The idea of forgiveness is just a bonus and has nothing much to do with day to day living in that sense.

capsium · 22/03/2014 22:21

.. than I used to, that is!

headinhands · 22/03/2014 22:22

I'd love there to be someone to sort it all out, there isn't. It's down to us blue.

capsium · 22/03/2014 22:23

BigDorrit didn't know you followed Homer Simpson. Aahuuuurrrrghhhh....donuts.....

BigDorrit · 22/03/2014 22:24

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

capsium · 22/03/2014 22:27

Grin me too and I had a bloody awful translation, not easy going. Had to do an assignment on the Iliad's message!??!

capsium · 22/03/2014 22:28

Much preferred Beowulf.

bluepen · 22/03/2014 22:29

I did used to wonder about the wrong God.
But for instance, look at the difference in countries that have lots of God worshippers, and those that dont.
[no I am not going to pull apart that statement and dissect it]
A cursory glance and think about countries around the world is adequate for the average reader of this thread which includes lurkers.

There are also other things.
Feelings [no I am not going into that]
How doing the things in Proverbs happen as it says [not going into that]
The more you do the things in the bible, the more it comes true. And the more the bible opens up.

I am now feeling quite christianly spiritual.

bluepen · 22/03/2014 22:30

I am glad that you would love there to be someone to sort it out, headinhands.

BigDorrit · 22/03/2014 22:30

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

capsium · 22/03/2014 22:31

Smile to feeling spiritual.

bluepen · 22/03/2014 22:34

I haven't asked you BigDorrit, if it is ok if I pray for you?

BigDorrit · 22/03/2014 22:35

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BigDorrit · 22/03/2014 22:36

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

capsium · 22/03/2014 22:37

The imagination can be a very powerful thing...