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Why do people get their children christened when they don't go to church or have any religious beliefs?

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sparkler1wantsaconservatory · 09/07/2006 09:59

I have always wondered this. My dds have not been christened. I am a godmother to my friend's daughter but see my duties to her more of a way to be there for her as a good friend and someone to confide in if ever she chooses. I am unsure as to my own religious beliefs - bit of an atheist I guess. If my own daughters or goddaughter want to know anything about religion then I am willing to help them understand all sides and feel that they should be able to choose which path they want to take.
I find it very strange that people would go to all the effort to arrange a big do and actually have no beliefs at all. This may sound harsh but I think some people do it more for an excuse to party.

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bubblez · 10/07/2006 14:07

Marina - It costs £300 to get dd christened in the Greek orthodox church (neary died with when my nan told me that).

Harrisy - You and your congregation may not believe in things like that but when you have had it drumed into by other 'christian' family memebers that 'such'n'such' is the case then you can be forgiven for wanting to take the nessicary precautions. Esp as I'm superstitious anyway and believe in a 'higher being' or 'God' I don't want to be taking any chances.

I know that may sound silly (it even does to me sometimes) but it's like an uncontrolable feeling in the pit of my stomach that tells me that I must do this.

BTW, It isn't only the christening thing that I am like this about eg, if I see a magpie I will tip my hat and say "good morning mr magpie sir say hello to your wife and kids", I never step on three drains and wouldn't dream of walking under a ladder, so as dd is not christened I will not take her through graveyards until she is.

Marina · 10/07/2006 14:09

Zoinks, I see your problem bubblez. Can I ask why that is?

Caligula · 10/07/2006 14:11

Hmm. Well I'd go for the Baptists then Bubblez. Better value. (Not as glamorous though.)

harpsichordcarrier · 10/07/2006 14:13

Harrisey - I think it is an abuse of the position of the church to take tax payers money to pay for their schools and then discriminate against children on the grounds of their parents religion.
If the Church of England leadership would give up this unjustifiable position and either stop discriminating on the grounds of religion or start funding the schools themselves,
that would solve the problem too.
Religious discrimination on the tax-payer's pound makes my blood boileth over, sorry. But smuggery and judgmental attitudes on top of that are too much to bear frankly, and not imo very Christian.
To deal with the OP, I agree with Blu, Edam and Caligula on this. The reason is, ime, a cultural one, and a wish to give your child/ren what you have had (relationships with godparents, links int he community, something "just in case"). Human beings need ritual and ceremony - it's a basic need imo - and they like to mark the birth of a child and welcome into the family.
And just on a point of information, in England everyone has the legal right to be married in the parish church of the parish in which they live, irrespective of any religious views and whether they have been christened or not. And the same goes for baptism. This is the flip side of the established church - it is there to serve the community and not just the regular church goers.
By the way, all the vicars of my acquaintance (and there are a frightening number of them) tend to be very welcoming of parents in this situation. Good for them. Seems to me to be the Christian thing to do, rather than (ahem) start judging.

bubblez · 10/07/2006 14:24

TBH I'm really not sure why they charge soo much money and I wouldn't like to comment as I would probably be very rude about it and offend ppl. (esp as the Greek churches are laced with gold ) Christenings are a big thing for Greeks and all the family would absolutely have to be invited 'or else'. (and I have a very big family so does dp)

I know that with the Greek Orthodox christenings there are many traditions that you have to uphold as well for the christening to be valid. Eg you can't do anything for your child for the whole day, the Godrents have to wash the LO and thier clothes for three days before sed christening and change them three times on the day. Plus the ceromony goes on for ages and involves oil cutting a lock of hair insence etc. Quite traumatic for the LO, IMO.

Baptise church would be so much simpler, cheaper and more in line with what we want but would break my familys hearts.

Now you know why dd isn't christened yet!! lol

I wonder what the rules are on getting your LO christened into more than one faith

bubblez · 10/07/2006 14:25

soz baptist not baptise

harrisey · 10/07/2006 16:55

I totally agree that if you are going to have for example CofE schools then the church should pay for them. I dont think the state should fund any religious schools. There should be education about religion but I dont like acts of worship in school and would never send my children to a religious school - and I am a pretty serious Christian. I prefer my children to get their teaching on Christianity from the church and from home.
Bubbelz - I think I would find it quite hard to live my life as superstitiously as you do, I dont think twice about walking under ladders or seeing a magpie. i dont think I had relaised how seriously people can take superstition and so I apologise if I was flippant about your beleifs, as they are obviously important to you. On another note, you would not be able to get dd baptised in a Baptist church as the Baptists do ot do Infant Baptism - they only do beleivers baptism of adults/teenagers. That's why they are 'baptists'. You would be able to have a dedication service but no water until full immersion at a later date when your dd asked for it herself.
And thanks for the info about the GO baptismal service. Sounds really interesting! A real community event! And also expensive by the sounds of things.

poisson · 10/07/2006 16:56

Why do people get their children christened when they don't go to church or have any religious beliefs?

for they are infidels

Caligula · 10/07/2006 16:57

LOL

What a very quaint word, Cod!

poisson · 10/07/2006 16:58

heathens
i do think tho ugh that the churhc has a "social/community" role ( as of yore) in chirstenings

SlightlyFamiliarPeachyClair · 10/07/2006 16:58

PMSL !

Blaspheming infidel, surely?

mousiemousie · 10/07/2006 17:00

"more for an excuse to party"...and the problem with that would be???

tallulah · 10/07/2006 17:23

Quote "This is the flip side of the established church - it is there to serve the community and not just the regular church goers. "

That being the case, what would happen if everyone took that view and only went to church on special occasions? Why it would close, and would no longer being available for the casual visitor to use for their pretty photos and lavish party.

I used to be a regular churchgoer, and did get very fed up with the attitude of the families bringing their children to be christened. Almost without exception they seemed to think it was "their" day but wouldn't join in with the hymns, talked all the way through the service and looked down their noses at the regular congregation, especially if anyone tried to speak to them. This was at a very welcoming and very child-friendly church, so no excuse for their rudeness either.

harpsichordcarrier · 10/07/2006 18:50

I am sure you're right, Tallulah. To be honest I think that the CofE shoudl try MUCH harder to be part of the local community in lots of places. I think that they should move heaven and earth to make their buildings work for everyone - including opening up for commercial uses. I know loads of churches that do this already - and they thrive.
Good for them.

bubblez · 11/07/2006 15:48

Harrisey - I wasn't offended by your comment in the slightest, I know that there are many people out there who would have said the same thing as you.

TBH I'm not entirely sure what religion dps family are all I know is that they worship in a church, with a priest (as apposed to a pastor) are Christians, they do child christenings, oh and thier christenings are free. The problem is that it's not a Greek Orthodox church so wouldn't be satisfactory for my side of the family IYSWIM.

Like I've said before though dp and I are not religious.

oliveoil · 11/07/2006 15:51

we had both girls christened Catholic as it meant a huge amount to my inlaws to do so

Dh was brought up Catholic (extrmely lapsed)

I didn't really care either way and as it meant so much to my inlaws, they were christened.

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