spirit in my house frightening my DD...

[hollowhallows]

I have NC for this.

OK, I know some people are going to think I am a crank, but here goes...

I have been aware of a spirit/s in my house since I moved in. In my family we are thought to have 'the sight' and it has been very real to me from the experiences I had growing up and experiences I continue to have. I'm not talking miracles or talking to the other side, just an ability to sense what others cannot, such as aura and spirits etc...

Because I was aware of spirits myself as a child from my own experiences, I was always aware that my children could experience the same thing. I have dealt with having 'the sight' (I don't know what else to call it, I know 'the sight' sounds cheesy) and as I have grown older it has bothered me less and I fear the things I sense a lot less. I hope this is all making sense, I usually keep this to myself

Well now my DD has started to very obviously see something that is frightening her. It is starting to become more frequent and is really upsetting her. It is always in the same place in the lounge and she runs over to me upset, crying and pointing towards whatever it is she can see. She tries to tell me but her speech isn't good enough yet, but her actions and feelings are very clear. Tonight she was so upset by whatever it was that she started crying and covering her eyes so she couldn't see it. I tried to encourage her to show me what it was that was upsetting her in case it wasn't what I thought, but she refuses to even venture to that side of the lounge when this happens. This has been going on for about 6 months but is now becoming more obvious.

I am not religious, I am not overly superstitious, but this is the one thing I genuinely believe in because I have experienced it myself. I have read stories by other MN's about their children telling them they had seen peculiar things so I'm hoping to get some input on how to handle this (and not be mocked in the process). When I sense something myself, I just ignore it. I'm not sure how to handle my DD possibly seeing things that are upsetting her.

[gamerchick]

I did answer the question after I compared it to it's equivalent :)

[DioneTheDiabolist]

I check the road because RTAs cause pain. I don't like pain.

[BackOnlyBriefly]

Dione exactly. knowledge is useful like that.

gamerchick you did not answer the question. You replied to it with some other stuff hoping no one would notice that you avoided it.

It's ok. You are not required to answer a direct question. Just don't expect to be taken seriously if you don't.

In case anyone else wondered - it was probably self evident what I meant - but I was demonstrating that people representing their belief as fact is at least the cause of confusion and at worst, dangerous. Like these examples.

"Your back hurts? Don't get an x-ray as x-rays make you fat"

"Strange pain in your chest? No need to bother your GP. Just place this crystal over your bed and you'll be fine.

"It's not murder if god tells you to do it"

"Your child has a demon in him. Hit him with this hammer to drive it out"

[BackOnlyBriefly]

I meant to add that each of those would be better with a disclaimer. Something like:

"I don't know if this is true or not. I have no reason to think so. I just get this feeling it might be"

[technodad]

Gamerchick said: "Techno dad I'm failing to understand why you're rattled. Why does it matter to you if people believe In something that you don't?"

People can believe what they want, it doesn't matter to me how much nonesense it is, until they cross a line.

For me, that line is when they try to push their beliefs onto others, or where they endanger or con others in some way.

So, I don't care if you believe in ghosts, it doesn't bother me.

If you get Ghost Studies added the the national curriculum so that it is taught to my kids, I will fight you.

If you knowingly try to sell a service to a vulnerable person whereby you profit from them (e.g. they pay you to read their palm, or get rid of a ghost from their house), then you are corrupt in the same way that a rouge builder is corrupt if he does unnecessary work for an old lady!

It sounded to me like IndigoBarbie might be trying something like this!

[gamerchick]

I did answer the question. I said I'd be slightly freaked if some random in the street told my kids to run across the road. Your question made no sense in relation to this topic.

[BackOnlyBriefly]

gamerchick Go look for the post where you think you said that and quote it. Maybe you posted it in some other thread by mistake.

[gamerchick]

Techno dad.. may I direct you to the first post. The op posted a thread as a believer and as a fellow believer I responded.. If the topic upsets you then maybe give it a wide berth.

[gamerchick]

You can't find a post if mine on this thread saying slightly freaked? Did you read them properly?

[VoodooHexDoll]

How old is your dd OP?

The fact its posted on this board and in the OP post states she is a believer I think some respect of other peoples believe system is needed here by other posters.

[lottieandmia]

'The op posted a thread as a believer and as a fellow believer I responded.. If the topic upsets you then maybe give it a wide berth.'

That's exactly how I feel about it too. There is no need for people who don't believe in spirituality to trawl the threads in PR&S and try to belittle and ridicule people's opinions but some posters seem to do this as a hobby. If they are so sure of their own position why do they need to brow beat faceless strangers on the internet anyway? Thanks Dione, btw

[curlew]

So are people saying that it is wrong to suggest to the OP that something other than spirits might be upsetting her child?

[BackOnlyBriefly]

gamerchick

You just said I said I'd be slightly freaked if some random in the street told my kids to run across the road.

But the only post you made with the words 'slightly freaked' in it is this one.

I think either way you would be slightly freaked by having something thrust on you with no introduction to the topic.

The one you claim is there is not. Check if you posted on another thread by mistake (that would be an understandable mistake). Either that or some kind of MN bug is causing me to see all the posts but that one which seems unlikely. It is especially unlikely as you have been unable to find it either.

But it doesn't really matter now since we've moved on from that.

[VoodooHexDoll]

OP I believe you.

I believe there is more to this world than what we currently know. I also believe that the dead didnt hate us when alive so why should they when in spirt? Its most likly that if it is a spirt then it will not harm you or your child.

I also get the feeling when there is something in a room and I can only discripe it as feeling unwelcome and strangeness.

My ds at 18 months used to go to the bottom of the stairs and smile, chat and offer a toy to something me and dh could not see but as it was not scaring ds we didnt make a big deal out of it and ot stopped happening after a few months. When ds comes.out with something he shouldnt know we just nodd and agree and smile as its who he is and most people grow out of it as they grow up.

Wedont discourage or mislead or dismiss what he can do or has done but we dont freak out or make a big deal about it.

[VoodooHexDoll]

I think its common sence that all physical explainations be explored first. Trial and error as with everything but with an open mind.

[lottieandmia]

I agree - of course 'normal' explanations should be explored first I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

Of course I also know that I can't tell people what to post or where to post it (nor would I wish to) but just find it a little puzzling that some people would wish to tell others who believe in paranormal phenomena that they must be mentally ill or liars. Their motivation for this is something which concerns me.

[curlew]

"hat some people would wish to tell others who believe in paranormal phenomena that they must be mentally ill or liars."

I don't want to tell thm that. I want to tell them that they are mistaken. And that they most certainly shouldn't involve their children in their misunderstanding of the world.

[lottieandmia]

I was really referring to my own thread and others that I've read. It's not that I wouldn't expect some people to disagree with me. On my own thread, as I said I got people telling me that either my child was mentally ill or I wasn't paying enough attention to her and she was attention seeking and I found it downright rude from someone who doesn't know me or my dd. I was also pmed at that time by another mner who had been told the same things when she posted a similar thread about her dd. I've also read threads about prayer where people were told they were wasting their time praying and I thought that was rude too. Some atheists ime can be so intolerant of anyone else's beliefs and I do think people should respect that not everyone thinks like them. They can post what they like but that doesn't mean it's a decent way to behave.

I thought the point of a topic like this was for people who believe in spirituality which was why I posted my thread here and not in, say 'chat' to avoid annoying non-believers. But it's not even that simple.

[myroomisatip]

Some people have closed minds, some people have never experienced something 'strange' and it is fair enough to try to come up with a logical explanation.

However, I think it rude and ill mannered to come on a thread and dismiss other peoples beliefs as nonsense. If you don't agree you are entitled to say so but surely it would be more useful to start your own thread if you want a debate?

[IndigoBarbie]

Technodad, I'm certain our paths have already crossed. What work would that be that I'd do for free-given that you've already said you don't believe. Once you have had your own encounter with energies that are not physical then you might have more of an insight.
Personally speaking if more of this 'stuff' was educated upon when I was at school I'd have got more sleep instead of worrying about things that happen when you feel no one else could understand. Thankfully it's more widely known about and dealt with. My offer of assistance was to the OP and not you- why would you even think money is involved?

[IndigoBarbie]

I'm not here to debate or defend my beliefs or experiences, each to their own. OP help is available if you need it.

[curlew]

"However, I think it rude and ill mannered to come on a thread and dismiss other peoples beliefs as nonsense. If you don't agree you are entitled to say so but surely it would be more useful to start your own thread if you want a debate?"

I don't think anyone has dismissed anyone else's beliefs as nonsense. And if th OP was not involving a child, I would not have posted.on this thread. But the OP has no right to impose her beliefs on her child. Which is what she is doing by assuming that what is frightening her is a spirit. When I could be any one of hundreds of other things.

[hollowhallows]

Sorry for lack of reply, I have again been quite busy. Will post back tonight as quite a few points to address.

[myroomisatip]

'Nonsense' has been used twice :)

I do agree about being concerned about influence on a child.

As for 'emotional energy', there does seem to be some evidence to suggest that something of that kind exists, from The Divine Matrix by Greg Braden, if you can believe what you read!

[curlew]

Google Greg Braden a bit before you quote him as an authority.......