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Does God withhold blessings from Christians who are living in disobedience?

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Jewcy · 03/05/2013 18:00

I am a Christian but my husband is not. I am desperate to be a better person in God's eyes but can not escape the instruction in 2 Corinth ch 6 re being unequally yoked to non-believers. I am nearly 42 and desperately trying to start a family (I mc'd last year). We are due to fly to the Czech Republic in June for donor egg IVF but I can't help worrying that God will not bless me with a child whilst I continue to willfully live a disobedient life. I entered into a relationship with my husband knowing that it is not God's will for me to be with a non-Christian. Am I to be forever outside of God's will? My prayer life has become almost non-existent as I don't feel I can appeal to the Lord for his blessings re a baby and yet it is all I can think about.

I guess the real problem here is that my obsession with starting a family has superceded my devotion and surrender to God's will. Please help me Sad

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Italiangreyhound · 06/05/2013 19:31

I had a special drip one off. In addition to the 3 times for donor we ahd one IVF try with my eggs, none showed up so called off! and I lost count of how many IUI attempts. Maybe 6. It's a nightmare but when it works it is worth it. Hope it works for you.

Ilikethebreeze · 06/05/2013 19:34

Lizzy. No. That is not exactly what I mean.
I think I mean that accepting something that is good for us or in our best interest, is ideally, not worth all the fuss and angst against it in the first place, or along the way iyswim. So trying to speed up the acceptance is best for our mental and actually physical well being.
I realise it isnt quite as simple as that.
I did not become a Christian until I was 33. I went along to church, but I did not make the personal commitment until then. I didnt rebel, but I did I suppose have a lot of questions that needed answering.
Trouble is now, I cant quite remember what all those questions were.
I think ultimately it came down to trust.
Did I trust that He would look after me properly.
Which was a silly question in hindsight, but not a silly question at the time.
I did have some issues about whether He existed or not. But they were solved by looking into the sky for me. It just didnt make sense that everything was in the right place for life on earth. I just couldnt possibly see how it could have all been one giant accident.

MareeyaDolores · 06/05/2013 19:55

Bus permitting, you could always go to Saturday evening Mass, which counts for Sunday Wink

Ilikethebreeze · 06/05/2013 20:28

Spero. There are harsh laws in the OT.
I think yes, it can partly be put down to the way of the world at that time.
But ultimately they were God rules. And God was trying to keep order by them. But ultimately that didnt work, which is where the Jesus bit came in[someone can explain this bit better than me]
And I think this is where my personal issue with trust came in. See above post to Lizzy.
I was brought up in a Christian household. Mum was a Christian. Dad was not but he did believe that God existed, but he refused to bow down until late in life.
I witnessed first hand the difference in mums behaviour and in dads.

I decided in the end that I did not need to know absolutely everything. Indeed no one ever will until they go to Heaven.
I also decided that it all came down to trust.
Did I think He existed. Yes. I had seen the difference in behaviour between my mum and my dad.
Did I think He was right. I knew after reading the bible, going to church and my upbringing, that enough of it was right.
[it probably took me several years, actually about 15 more, before I thought, blow this, I am just going to accept the lot]

Ultimately, it is a journey.
I do think I was probably born not being too anti it ifyswim. Certainly after the age of 10, I chose to try and be well behaved, as I have explained.

Ilikethebreeze · 06/05/2013 20:30

That is not my best coherent post. But I didnt want to lose the long post. If you dont understand something,or something is muddled, which it probably is, please ask.

NicholasTeakozy · 06/05/2013 20:30

I wish you the level best for your treatment OP. Whilst you're in the Czech Republic visit the church at Sedlec, on the outskirts of Kutna Hora. It has the most amazing ossuary.

While you're there don't forget:-

Religion didn't invent IVF, science did.
Religion didn't put men into space, science did.
Religion doesn't cure disease, science does.

So if you become pregnant, and I hope you do, then it is purely because of science.

Spero · 06/05/2013 20:40

Thanks Jewcy, it is always comforting to know others are thinking of you kindly.

best of luck with your treatment, I hope you get what you need which I appreciate might not be the same as what you want. But I agree your husband sounds lovely and he will be a great support for you.

thanks for those who answered my questions - you did a better job than the alpha course...

Jewcy · 06/05/2013 21:24

Thanks for good wishes, everyone, I really do appreciate it. Nicholas, I understand your point of view and I know your eyes will literally roll out of your head when I say this but I believe God, as the Creator, is behind every scientific discovery. I thank Him every day for the wonders of science and medicine and rehabilitation and fertility treatments. I thank Him for the wisdom He imparts to doctors, consultants, social workers and those who would wish to save lives and help create lives.

If I become pregnant I will be thanking God, whose plan it would fulfil and whose mercy gave me the gift of life.

Thinking of you tomorrow, Spero x

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Jewcy · 06/05/2013 21:27

Mareeya, you've got me thinking now...tell me, what goes on at Mass? I've no idea about anything to do with Catholicism. How is it different to the evangelical ministry? Or is that a whole other thread? Confused

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NicholasTeakozy · 06/05/2013 22:05

No eyeroll but a fuckton of facepalms. As you can see from nos 1 & 3 even Jebus thinks you're daft. :o

NicholasTeakozy · 06/05/2013 22:10

To reinforce the point

Jewcy · 06/05/2013 22:26

Nicholas, may I ask if you have name-changed for this thread and, if so, why?

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NicholasTeakozy · 06/05/2013 23:21

Yes of course you may ask. No, I haven't. Why would I? Ridiculous question.

Italiangreyhound · 07/05/2013 00:07

Thinking of you Jewcy and wishing you all the very best for treatment.

Spero thinking of you too, and really hoping all will go well.

Jewcy · 07/05/2013 00:11

Thanks, Italian, very kind.

Nicholas, old boy! I hadn't realised you are a man. And a feminist. Feminists don't really like God, do they? The patriarchy and all that Hmm
I'm sorry my last question was ridiculous to you. I looked you up, you see - to get a taster of who you are, etc - and I mispellled your username. I was faced with real tea cosies and stuff. Nice.

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Spero · 07/05/2013 13:30

It doesn't help for Christians and atheists to snipe at one another. We are never going to change each others minds as we are divided by faith.

Like love and forgiveness, faith can't simply be willed into being, which is why Pascale's wager is such a crock of shit, to coin a phrase.

It's a state of grace, you either have it or you don't. I don't have faith which is why I find the OT terrifying and utterly barbaric.

But the only thing that is going to make me angry is any suggestion that I can't live a good life with moral purpose without faith - as that is demonstrably untrue.

But I think we reached agreement here that no one was seriously arguing that.

EllieArroway · 07/05/2013 14:35

I thank Him for the wisdom He imparts to doctors, consultants, social workers and those who would wish to save lives and help create lives

Makes me wonder why anyone bothers with medical school at all if it's all just down to "imparted wisdom" from God. I also find it rather rude to the medical professionals that you're seeking help from to dismiss the expertise that they worked hard to achieve as imparted wisdom from an outside agency Hmm.

I hope science helps you, Jewcy, I truly do. Please don't forget to thank science if it does, will you.

daftdame · 07/05/2013 14:46

Jewcy, thought you might like this Smile,

daftdame · 07/05/2013 15:07

Sorry, Spero, didn't mean to offend it's why I left the thread ( a bit late granted) when the argument seemed to be getting out of hand - at that stage I didn't seem to be able to add anything more useful...

The Ellsberg paradox was my (clumsy) way of saying that there are some things science just can not extrapolate, but it doesn't mean it's not taking the risk.

The question about moral purpose was mere curiosity because I find my faith helpful. I accept it's not the same with you.

daftdame · 07/05/2013 15:08

that should be worth^ taking the risk.

DioneTheDiabolist · 07/05/2013 15:35

Spero, I am sorry to hear you have cancer. I admire your strength and your honesty.

Jewcy, I understand your not wanting to attend a church where the vicar CBA. However I'm not sure that now is the time to ask God to challenge you. You have already been challenged and you changed.Smile

Perhaps now you should be seeking comfort and love. Yes the bible asks that you pick up your cross, but it sounds as though you have borne your cross long enough. Maybe it's time to allow god to show you his love for you. Even Jesus did not bear the cross alone.

NicholasTeakozy · 07/05/2013 15:36

To be honest Jewcy, I really don't know what feminists think of god or gods. I don't see myself as a feminist either, just a normal bloke.

DioneTheDiabolist · 07/05/2013 15:42

Spero I absolutely agree with everything you said in your 13:30 post.

Jewcy · 07/05/2013 15:57

I hope science helps you, Jewcy, I truly do. Please don't forget to thank science if it does, will you.

Please take your passive-aggressive faux concern elsewhere. I really find it nauseating.

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Jewcy · 07/05/2013 15:58

daftdame, thanks for the link. My newly installed internet connection is playing up but I will watch this as soon as I can.

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