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Januarymadness · 24/04/2013 21:05

Right I am going to bite. I shouldnt have looked at the facebook but I did.

Mr Ruggles you have made some horrible accusations. You have claimed everyone who disagreed with you was an atheist who lacked logic and reasoning. You were wrong on ALL counts. Many people told you they were Christian or Theists, they just didn't agree with you. The thread was also full of valid scientific arguments which were well worded and full of logic and reasoning.

You have also accused us all of being bullies. Something I saw no evidence of. Not agreeing with someone is not bullying.

So please do feel free to justify your off board comments here as speaking behind peoples backs is really not on.

Please could someone link to the old thread. Thanks

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SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 08/05/2013 12:35

I'm really liking some of Best's FB friends btw.

Best do you agree with gay marriage?

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 13:15

ICBINEG, in 'your' universe how would you protect the human race from themselves?

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Januarymadness · 08/05/2013 13:17

do you think God protects us from ourselves?

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Jewcy · 08/05/2013 13:19

Hello everyone, I'm new to this thread and have not been a Christian for very long (two years). I used to be an atheist and regularly burst into churches when I was a drunk and disrupt the worship, shouting out all kinds of obscenities etc. So, I know what it is to hate God and those who worship Him.

Now...what does YEC stand for, pliz?

P.s..although I am fairly intelligent and have a degree and all that crap I am rubbish at critical thinking and debate (I reckon). Am I still welcome here?

infamouspoo · 08/05/2013 13:22

If you think I get it Best, then you'll agree the bible is written by men for its own time, not for 'all' time. But by a bunch of bronze age tribespeople 3000 years ago. And is therefore not to be taken literally.
I thenkyew Grin

Snorbs · 08/05/2013 13:25

Jewcy, if you used to be an atheist why did you hate god? How can you hate an entity that you did not even believe existed?

YEC --> Young Earth Creationist.

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 13:31

ICBINEG, you say that on some occasions you 'know' that *my soul will live forever." I believe this verse explains how you feel that:

Ecclesiastes 3:11

He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 13:33

Snorbs, are you being pedantic? I hated anything which alluded to God.

HTH

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 13:45

January: yes.

Snorbs · 08/05/2013 13:48

No, I'm not being pedantic. I thought that it was a very peculiar introduction you made to this thread and it piqued my interest. I wanted to clarify if what I thought you had said was what you really meant.

I know atheists who despise many/most organised religions and I know atheists who don't hold the religious in particularly high regard. You're the only one I've ever heard from who claims to have hated gods and/or anything that alludes to gods. That strikes me as a bit on the extreme side.

As the old saw has it, love and hate are two sides of the same coin. The real opposite of love is complete and utter indifference. Maybe you were not quite as much an atheist as you are now claiming?

ICBINEG · 08/05/2013 13:49

Jewcy erm...okay but which verse describes the other more common states of my mind...the ones that either involve not feeling that there is anything more to the universe than chance and or the one that involves being hated?

infamouspoo · 08/05/2013 13:51

what made you change Jewcy if you dont mind me being nosy. And why christianity?

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 14:06

Dunno, ICBINEG.

Snorbs, I hated the notion that anyone would willingly enslave themselves to an invisible entity and then try to indoctrinate me. I can tell you, too, that the atheists I have met in my very short time on mumsnet are not 'indifferent' about God. Far from it.

Infamous, I was sick of being me. I was sick of making all the wrong choices in life and pretending that they were okay, that I was a decent person. I came to understand that nothing I did or said or thought or felt could ever be made better through my own efforts. I tried, but narcissism, selfishness, nymphomania, prostitution, alcoholism, overthinking, hedonism and a deep-rooted need to sabotage the good stuff thwarted my efforts every time.

I happened upon a copy of the Gospel of Mark when I was in hospital. I read it in a couple of hours and summoned the hospital chaplain to come and bring me the whole bible. I've never stopped reading it since and have accepted I can never be redeemed except through the blood of Christ. He is the living, breathing God of the bible..but in my heart, too. I feel Him and love Him. I can't describe it in any other way.

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 14:09

...I also find it incredibly difficult being a Christian. I am naturally a bit of a twat and love to be politically-incorrect and laugh at other people. I also have a big heart and would do anything for anyone. I guess we are all of us a paradox.

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 14:11

...can I also say I hate Christopher Hitchens and am glad he is dead? I reckon he (and his ilk) are the anti-Christ Shock

BackOnlyBriefly · 08/05/2013 14:12

You certainly can. I've been trying for years to demonstrate that Christianity doesn't make you kind and decent. The more examples the better.

Snorbs · 08/05/2013 14:13

I hated the notion that anyone would willingly enslave themselves to an invisible entity and then try to indoctrinate me.

With respect Jewcy, that's more than a bit different from what you originally said. That's not hating god/gods, that's hating the religious for their views and/or actions.

I can tell you, too, that the atheists I have met in my very short time on mumsnet are not 'indifferent' about God. Far from it.

That may well be so Jewcy, but I still contend you're the only one I've ever heard of who claims to have hated gods. As I said, hate's a strong emotion for something you claim to have not even believed in the existence of.

For that matter I don't believe any atheist else here has ever claimed to have deliberately disrupted church services either. Did you only target Christian churches or did you disrupt services in synagogues and mosques as well?

EllieArroway · 08/05/2013 14:14

Best

Man, you would really argue that black is white and down is up given half a chance, wouldn't you.

Lack of belief in god and disbelief in God is the same thing. The distinction is lack of belief in God vs belief that there is no God. We've been through this before. I am one of the few atheists on this thread that doesn't just lack belief in a god (in other words, I am unconvinced by theist arguments) I actively believe there is no god & I take the burden of proof upon myself by saying that.

Why are you so desperate for Einstein not to be an atheist? In any meaningful way, he was. He thought your beliefs were childish and said as much.

And, sorry, Hitler was born a Catholic, raised a Catholic, proclaimed Jesus as his saviour, never renounced his Catholicism & was never excommunicated.

NOT THAT IT MATTERS because I don't believe he did anything because he was a Christian or in the name of Christianity - he had other reasons. But, lets not forget, Hitler didn't kill anyone - he got a lot of good Christians to do the dirty work for him, and they were willing to do so. Remember the belts they all wore with pride? "Gott Mit Uns".

I would like you to define "Fine-tuning" please. It's odd that you're refusing. Is it because you can't? Would you like me to do it for you?

Hello, Jewcy, welcome. I also find your introduction to the thread strange. Obviously we atheists don't hate God anymore than you hate the Easter Bunny. And none of us hate theists just because they're theists. We reserve any hatred for those who use their faith to harm others. If you're not one of those people, then it's not you we're talking about.

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 14:15

Ha! I thought you'd like that. Absolutely correct though, BoB, Christianity does not of itself make a person decent. It is turning away from sin and seeking those things which are good which demonstrates love.

Jewcy · 08/05/2013 14:18

And none of us hate theists just because they're theists.

Sorry, I simply don't believe you.

EllieArroway · 08/05/2013 14:19

...can I also say I hate Christopher Hitchens and am glad he is dead? I reckon he (and his ilk) are the anti-Christ

You can say whatever you like, we're all grown ups here.

I will say that I think that's a perfectly disgusting thing to say and that you shame your fellow Christians by speaking like that. I am of "his ilk", so you think I'm the anti-christ. Fine. That truly says considerably more about you than it does about me of Hitchens.

EllieArroway · 08/05/2013 14:20

Sorry, I simply don't believe you

Since you're the kind of person who believes in the anti-christ, I can't bring myself to care what you think.

BackOnlyBriefly · 08/05/2013 14:33

Jewry, if you read my posts you'll see that I regard theists as typically victims too. I don't hate them, I want to rescue them. In practice it's usually too late once a theist is posting in debates so the best I can do is warn others of what theism leads to.

Oh and to try to stop theists imposing their beliefs on me legally/politically.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 08/05/2013 14:36

I used to be an atheist and regularly burst into churches when I was a drunk and disrupt the worship, shouting out all kinds of obscenities etc.

Strange behaviour.

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Januarymadness · 08/05/2013 14:39

Hi Jewcy and sorry for the first abrupt question. Reading on short breaks from work. Although this thread now regards a much broader selection of questions, the primary question is do you believe the universe was created in 6 days a mere 6000 years ago? I would love to hear your view on it (in the interest of disclosure I admit I have seen some of your input into other threads and find your view point fascinating)

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